Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE: Comment by saso
by Deviate_X on Wed 9th Jan 2013 19:21 UTC in reply to "Comment by saso"
Deviate_X
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No one who has experience using a Surface tablet and an Android tablet would describe the Android experience (Nexus) as fluid or elegant, out of the box.

Of course it could be more so with customisations.

So i would not recommend Android to anyone who (needed) to ask about what tablet to get.

On the other hand, the problem with Surface is the high price. Microsoft seen as missing in action at the $200 level.

Edited 2013-01-09 19:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by saso on Wed 9th Jan 2013 22:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
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2007-04-18

No one who has experience using a Surface tablet and an Android tablet would describe the Android experience (Nexus) as fluid or elegant, out of the box.

I've both an iPad 3 and a Nexus 7 and I seriously don't see any difference in interface fluidity. Nevertheless, suppose what you're saying on fluidity is real (and "elegant" is a subjective measure), let's keep in mind that the Betamax was also technically superior. But ultimately it didn't count. Being a little better at some things isn't going to get you any converts. You have to be a lot better, or be able to do something the other guys just plain cannot do at all.

So i would not recommend Android to anyone who (needed) to ask about what tablet to get.

If you're basing your recommendations purely on interface reaction times and subjective impressions of design instead of than real usability, I suspect you might be viewing your computing devices more as fashion accessories, rather than tools of utility.

So in all, you have yet to present a case why people should buy into a product that is, arguably, marginally better at UI presentation while being more expensive and unambiguously less useful (less software available). Doesn't sound like a winner to me...

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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by tylerdurden on Thu 10th Jan 2013 08:17 in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
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Both experiences suck; Android in tablets/controvertibles is "meh" at best. And Microsoft's RT is the definition of schizophrenic by dropping users back and forth the metro/desktop modes.

Microsoft is in a tight spot in the tablet/mobile space: from a cost perspective RT is not as attractive to OEMs as Android is. Whereas for end users RT does not have anywhere near the already established app/media ecosystem of the iPad. MS is left with their main value proposition for their tablets being a half assed port of Office, which it's a feature only a few tablet users demand.

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RE[2]: Comment by saso
by ze_jerkface on Fri 11th Jan 2013 08:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by saso"
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On the other hand, the problem with Surface is the high price. Microsoft seen as missing in action at the $200 level.


Even at $200 I would still recommend the iPad mini for the typical user. It would still be worth the $130 premium due to the software library. I also think the Kindle/Nook tablets are a better offering as well.

Surface RT is just a bad idea. They're basically trying to sell Office Junior plus IE all while pissing off Windows developers by discarding the APIs they built up over the last 10 years.

What they need to do is bury all these bad ideas and pretend the Sinofsky era never existed.

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RE[3]: Comment by saso
by Deviate_X on Sat 12th Jan 2013 13:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by saso"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

"On the other hand, the problem with Surface is the high price. Microsoft seen as missing in action at the $200 level.


Even at $200 I would still recommend the iPad mini for the typical user. It would still be worth the $130 premium due to the software library. I also think the Kindle/Nook tablets are a better offering as well.

Surface RT is just a bad idea. They're basically trying to sell Office Junior plus IE all while pissing off Windows developers by discarding the APIs they built up over the last 10 years.

What they need to do is bury all these bad ideas and pretend the Sinofsky era never existed.
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I have real world experience of this. the idea was to give a tablet to a relative very unexperienced in tech, primarily for communications skype + some plus. I rapidly discovered:

* how chaotic whole Android UI system is. while people talk about a the metro/desktop split. i find android to have a about 7 - 8 such splits.

* surface rt's metro UI (simple) / desktop (complex) split is more of a phantom problem. surface is very easy to navigate. however it was out of the question to give someone totally tech naieve something that expensive for Skype + plus reading.

* iPad is simpler than surface Rt and easy to navigate. But again the price is too high

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