Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Jan 2013 17:10 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia has just sent out a few preliminary comments about the company's performance during the fourth quarter of 2012. Nokia's figures are a good indicator for how well Windows Phone 8 is doing, and, in all honesty, I'm not exactly blown away. Apparently, neither was Nokia itself, since the company decided to redefine their Asha phones from feature phone to smartphone to prop up their smartphone sales figures.
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RE[2]: Comment by shmerl
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 10th Jan 2013 18:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by shmerl"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Why should you feel sorry? It's very clear that things are turning around for Nokia, as indicated by this report. This is a very good sign for Nokia, and the continued reports of its demise are offbase.


It really isn't. It's easy to think Nokia is doing well if you look at the figures in isolation, but pitting them against the entire market paints a different picture. Nokia's sales are increasing, sure - but not fast enough to grow their market share in any significant way. In fact, I believe Windows Phone is actually *losing* market share, not winning it.

As much as I love the platform - and I really do, I think it's better than iOS and Android - it simply isn't looking very healthy, and there are no signs this is going to change.

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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by vaette on Thu 10th Jan 2013 18:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
vaette Member since:
2008-08-09

Things are almost per definition turning around business-wise, since the whole point of the announcement was to tell the markets that they expect to actually make a profit on devices, which they haven't for a long time.

You may consider the Asha part of the announcement uninteresting, but that too is a new line in many ways, so it doing well is great news for Nokia.

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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by gmlongo on Thu 10th Jan 2013 18:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

The main objective is to become profitable. Nokia doesn't have to draw the same number of users as Android or iOS; it just has to become profitable for the company to succeed. And with the last two reports, it is clear that their approach is working. And analysts agree that things are moving in the right direction. 4.4 million Lumias is a big deal, and WP8 hasn't even been available for a full quarter yet.

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by cdude on Fri 11th Jan 2013 15:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

A big deal? Lets see. This was the new platform, early adopters, channel staffing, huge marketing budge and x-mas sells. It also includes the WP7 devices now being thrown out very cheap far below price and all that is coming from a company that was just 2 years ago two times bigger then its closest rival and is now dropping out of the top 10.

Those 4.4 million, that includes cheap WP7, are the world wide peak. Its not getting better. That was it.

For profit: Lets wait. I doubt there smartphone Lumia segment makes profit. But it may make lesser lose. In combination with other segments performing better and not having to have spend money on research and development any longer (what only has negative effects long term but not now), the sold headquarter and other jewels, the one-time patent payments, etc they may close to not make a billion of lose per quarter any longer for now. That doesn't help for the future through...

Edited 2013-01-11 15:14 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by Nelson on Thu 10th Jan 2013 18:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

There were people here that suggesting Nokia was facing imminent death. You have that idiot Tomi massively underestimating the number of Lumia's Nokia would sell this quarter. Nokia beat his, their own, and everyone elses expectations.

There is a concerted effort to smear and undermine Nokia's effort because they killed the kitten that was MeeGo.

Edited 2013-01-10 18:34 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by glarepate on Thu 10th Jan 2013 19:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
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2006-01-04

There were people here that suggesting Nokia was facing imminent death. You have that idiot Tomi massively underestimating the number of Lumia's Nokia would sell this quarter. Nokia beat his, their own, and everyone elses expectations.


http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/01/nokia-surprise...

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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by Deviate_X on Thu 10th Jan 2013 19:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

much as I love the platform - and I really do, I think it's better than iOS and Android - it simply isn't looking very healthy, and there are no signs this is going to change.


People who put there money where there mouth are, are currently piling into NOK. They are regarding Nokias performance very positively. Nokia is a few spins of the dice away from turning the market around. Reason: Nokia can output what the competition can't. HTC/Samsung/Apple are just more of the same really.

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by cdude on Fri 11th Jan 2013 15:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

NOK is still below the actual market value. Clever gamblers bought in already since the share will go up latest when Nokia is split in pieces and sold off.

Turn-around? Yeah, happens every moment. Something I read now since 2 years.

What would you say when Microsoft announces its Surface Phone in Q1? Good for the ecosystem and so good for Nokia?

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RE[3]: Comment by shmerl
by delta0.delta0 on Fri 11th Jan 2013 12:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by shmerl"
delta0.delta0 Member since:
2010-06-01

We are all entitled to our opinions, but in what way is windows Phone better ? I cant see how that grid of tiles is better.

What I mean to say is please explain how it is better, what in your opinion makes windows phone 8 the better platform ? I just need to understand why you think it is better.

In my opinion this is what makes Android the better platform (I also like the iPhone, I think the UI needs updating on it as well, but in terms of performance and hardware the iPhone is excellent):

1. Google now !
I get reports of traffic directly, best routes from work to home using the transport system it in fact tells me best routes constantly (I live in London fyi) and tend to go for random walks and sometimes its just easier jumping on a bus back and the info is right there, also updated weather reports and the other cards.

2. Google Maps / Google Navigation constantly use it always excellent.

3. Android has excellent multi-tasking and always has had it, one of the reasons why Linux rules the high demand server environments. Application loading and switching has always been incredibly fast on android (I had the G1 even on that application loading and switching was fast)

4. Voice search in google now and Apple Siri does windows phone have anything even remotely similar ?

5. If you happen to use gmail, the gmail client on Android is just pure win.

6. Chrome and firefox on my phone pure win.

7. Google play music and spotify on my phone pure win. Infact google play music is just awesome, I carry most of my songs in the cloud and have around a gig always available to handset and its my own stuff no cost involved. Spotify I have a few different playlists saved to my phone which I update, love it.

8. An interface I can configure to my liking pure win, in fact there was an article here not too long ago by yourself An iPhone Lovers confession:

http://www.osnews.com/story/26668/An_iPhone_lover_s_confession_I_sw...

It just demonstrated what android 4.1+ is capable of, I have to admit I have stock android no mods but with this wallpaper:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maxelus.galaxypack...

and love it, but this:

http://mycolorscreen.com/2013/01/05/modern-nexus-2/

Does it for me to.


9. Dynamic wallpapers, my wallpaper brings my screen to life, that galaxy wallpaper I mentioned above looks amazing the galaxy is constantly spinning it moves with your finger across the screen, any one that sees it on my phone loves it.

10. Since project butter Android has been smooth as butter I haven't noticed any interface lag on the galaxy nexus in fact I am still waiting on my nexus 4 off contract and will be getting the sony Z series on contract that phone is just kick ass.

11. Notification Centre on Android, the best notification system of any platform that I have seen, instant list of exactly whats going on.

12. Configurable LED light for different types of notifications.

13. panaromic photos and the new 3d view photos pretty impressive stuff.

Lag is no longer an issue on any of the platforms, so surely this is not one of your reasons.

I sincerely hope RIM and BB10 is not a disappointment, because I think that is the true 3rd platform not windows phone.


Back to the actual topic i.e Nokia:

The whole reason Nokia selected Windows Phone over any other OS was that they could stick their stamp on it, according to Elop they could stand out from the android crowd, but it looks identical to every other windows phone and its not like the competition from Samsung and Android has magically disappeared because they are using windows phone, they are now battling the titans using an "arguably" inferior platform. It certainly is inferior where applications are concerned and that is by all accounts.

The worst thing is Meego was a good platform there was nothing wrong with it and it was ready for prime time, the time its taken for windows phone 8 to be ready Meego would have been more than ready.

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RE[4]: Comment by shmerl
by zima on Thu 17th Jan 2013 20:57 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by shmerl"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

2. Quality of Gmaps depends where you are

3. Android multitasking doesn't have much to do with Linux underpinnings WRT servers... (and anyway, for example Windows NT is just as good)

8. Galaxies don't spin like that :p

And Meego definitely wasn't ready. Just some people want to overlook its bugs and roughness.

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