Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Jan 2013 17:10 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia has just sent out a few preliminary comments about the company's performance during the fourth quarter of 2012. Nokia's figures are a good indicator for how well Windows Phone 8 is doing, and, in all honesty, I'm not exactly blown away. Apparently, neither was Nokia itself, since the company decided to redefine their Asha phones from feature phone to smartphone to prop up their smartphone sales figures.
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Nelson
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2005-11-29

The problem is that your premise is wrong. When you put words in my mouth that I have never said, and even after pointing that out continue to dig yourself in, I'm at a loss. Why should I have to defend something I never said?


Because you having not said it, and you claiming you never said it, are not the same thing.

However, there still lies the fact that even if you hadn't said it verbatim, your statement is factually incorrect and my points still apply to it.

I don't expect you to reply to it, or even acknowledge that you're wrong, because you never do. Especially not when it comes to Windows Phone. You're the same person who pushed that ridiculous smear that Windows Phone had a widespread WiFi reconnect bug, or the smear that MetroTube wasn't constantly being broken by YouTube, take your pick.

You have a severe problem with budging from your positions, even when you're 100%, completely wrong.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You have a severe problem with budging from your positions, even when you're 100%, completely wrong.


And you have a severe problem with assuming that just because I disagree with you, I MUST be wrong. Because, you know, you are always right, and therefore, when I disagree with you, I must be wrong. That's your logic here.

Your above statement is easily refutable. Only a few days ago, we had this:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?547167

And there have been countless instances in the past where I posted entire new articles on the front page when it turned out I was wrong. However, due to selective perception, you forget those. That's okay - it's human nature, and you can't really be blamed for that. You want to solve the cognitive dissonance arising from all those times where I DID admit I was wrong, and so you block them out, coming to ridiculous and clearly false statements like the one above.

I don't expect you to reply to it


I already replied to it, you just don't agree with it. Let me repeat it for you.

Windows Phone always comes in third or even fourth for developers (if it even comes in at all!), and looking at the massive amounts of developers working on iOS and/or Android only, it's clear that yes, Windows Phone is on far less developers' radars than iOS or Android. The fact that several incredibly popular Windows Phone applications have STILL not been updated for WP8, leading to letterboxing and the like, speaks volumes about just how important Windows Phone is to developers.

Jesus Christ man, *Microsoft's own Weather application hasn't even been updated for WP8!*

And you are trying to claim everything is just perfectly fine and peachy for Windows Phone 8? I'm sorry, but I've been using Windows Phone since the very day it was released, and I know all too well how inferior the application situation is compared to iOS and Android. Claiming it is not is so void of reality in any way, shape, or form it absolutely baffles the mind.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


And you have a severe problem with assuming that just because I disagree with you, I MUST be wrong. Because, you know, you are always right, and therefore, when I disagree with you, I must be wrong. That's your logic here.


But you're not right, and there is clear, incontrovertible proof of that.


Your above statement is easily refutable. Only a few days ago, we had this:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?547167


My apologies, you're right. Once every N times you admit that you're sorta, kinda, wrong.


And there have been countless instances in the past where I posted entire new articles on the front page when it turned out I was wrong. However, due to selective perception, you forget those.


I really don't think there countless, more like extremely rare, and mildly frustrating in how long it took you to correct the record.

You never admitted you were completely wrong about the WiFi reconnect speed of Windows Phones, despite being shown to be wrong. I'm supposed to cut you slack because others have been able to back you into corners better than I have? No.


I already replied to it, you just don't agree with it. Let me repeat it for you.

Windows Phone always comes in third or even fourth for developers (if it even comes in at all!), and looking at the massive amounts of developers working on iOS and/or Android only, it's clear that yes, Windows Phone is on far less developers' radars than iOS or Android.


Thank you for finally giving me somewhat of a response.

However this is completely unrelated to your statement. You stated WP7 apps are not being updated to WP8 apps, indicating a lack of developer support from existing developers. I provided reasoning for why that might be, and why it is unrelated to this supposed lack of interest.


The fact that several incredibly popular Windows Phone applications have STILL not been updated for WP8, leading to letterboxing and the like, speaks volumes about just how important Windows Phone is to developers.


Did you see my original comment? I listed reasons for this, and why it doesn't indicate a lack of developer attention per say. Sometimes it might, but not all the time, and I don't think its especially widespread.

I think you underestimate the engineering effort required at any rate.


Jesus Christ man, *Microsoft's own Weather application hasn't even been updated for WP8!*


That's likely because not many people really use it. Various other Weather Apps have been updated, including gorgeous Lockscreen Support.

But the weather app is so simplistic its just a recompile targeting WP8. That's it.


And you are trying to claim everything is just perfectly fine and peachy for Windows Phone 8? I'm sorry, but I've been using Windows Phone since the very day it was released, and I know all too well how inferior the application situation is compared to iOS and Android. Claiming it is not is so void of reality in any way, shape, or form it absolutely baffles the mind.


I'm not claiming everything is perfectly fine, just that there are explanations for some of the more severe claims you make.

If you'd like, I can compile a list of my real beefs with Windows Phone. Things that I as a developer have noticed to be egregious omissions on Microsoft's part.

I'm far from silent when it comes to such things. I'm not blind to reality, I just don't think the aforementioned reality is what you claim it is.

I don't think it was outlandish for me to ask you to address the points I made in my comment in their entirety. If the situation were reversed, I'd gladly reply to all your points, specifically. Point by point.

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