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General Development "For years I've tried my damnedest to get away from C. Too simple, too many details to manage, too old and crufty, too low level. I've had intense and torrid love affairs with Java, C++, and Erlang. I've built things I'm proud of with all of them, and yet each has broken my heart. They've made promises they couldn't keep, created cultures that focus on the wrong things, and made devastating tradeoffs that eventually make you suffer painfully. And I keep crawling back to C."
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RE: Point by point
by moltonel on Fri 11th Jan 2013 10:06 UTC in reply to "Point by point"
moltonel
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2006-02-24

In what way is C simple? Take someone who's got a good background and mind for programming and show them C. See how long it takes them to actually understand how to (...)


C is much simpler to understand fully than most other languages, in the sense that you understand exactly what a given line of code does. You pretty much know what (unoptimized) assembly will be generated by reading C. Try that with python, java, or even C++.

Of course C is harder to understand when you start with the language, but that's not what the author is talking about. He's talking about very experienced programmers (which he is).

"Faster Build-Run-Debug Cycles"

In what universe?


In the universe where java is not a "comparable language" I suppose, but I admit I wonder about this one too.

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RE[2]: Point by point
by moondevil on Fri 11th Jan 2013 10:24 in reply to "RE: Point by point"
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2005-07-08

He's talking about very experienced programmers (which he is).


On my world such type of developers should have no problems understanding languages more complex than C.

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RE[3]: Point by point
by moltonel on Fri 11th Jan 2013 12:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Point by point"
moltonel Member since:
2006-02-24

"He's talking about very experienced programmers (which he is).
On my world such type of developers should have no problems understanding languages more complex than C. "

No. Not when there's a VM or an interpreter involved, not to the point of knowing what assembly (not just bytecode !) gets generated. Even with a language deeply rooted in C like C++, there are so many parts of it that keeping them all in your mind while you code casually is not possible.

Again, we're not talking about just understanding the language you code in, but understanding what will actually get executed on the CPU.

I know my chosen languages very well, better than I know C. But I still have a better understanding of what C does to my machine than I do with any other language.

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