Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 13th Jan 2013 14:48 UTC
Windows Tom Warren: "While Intel is trying to keep the Windows tree healthy, Microsoft is hoping that the leaves don't start to drop off before its own family of Surface devices are fully ready. Redmond isn't 'priming the pump' here, it's planting seeds for the future. If Microsoft is successful then it could be the world's biggest Windows OEM in just a few years. The future is Surface." You just have to look at the difference in build quality and supplied software between OEM devices and Surface even though Surface is cheaper to realise that the age of Windows OEMs is coming to an end. The writing's on the wall, and the OEMs know it: there's no future for them in Windows.
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bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if just like Vista the OEMs pull a "gang of nine" and demand (and get) the right to sell Win 7 and Ballmer will end up being told by the board around Xmas of this year to "pursue other interests". because its either that or the OEMs start building ChromeBooks and ChromeTops and MSFT will be the company people talk about needing to close their doors and give the money back to the shareholders.

Ironically all those that cheered Google and Open Source are about to get a RUDE awakening, because the future is NOT tablets, its game consoles. What do I mean by that? Black boxes, machines that boot from a locked BIOS to a locked OS that gets corporate approved apps from a corporate owned appstore and when no longer supported by corporate can be thrown in the tash because like a game console you won't be able to really do anything else with it unless you are handy with a soldering iron.

Anybody look at the new ChromeBooks? Can't run Debian, or Vector, or Red hat, or Slax, even though we are talking a Celeron dual, hard drive, bog standard laptop parts, why? Because Google has locked down the UEFI, just like MSFT! Now the ONLY thing you can run other than corp approved ChromeOS is to jump through a couple of pages of CLI and do a LOT of finger crossing (because there is a chance that by even attempting this you'll void your warranty as you have to completely wipe the drive just to get it to work) and at the end of that you can run ONE, just one, hacked UEFI version of Ubuntu, which probably won't be supported for anything other than a limited time because its literally being made by one guy.

So sorry about the length, but looking into the future its sadly looking like a corporate wet dream, a future made of suck and fail. Everyone is cheering the big bad MSFT finally dying without noticing that what is coming to replace them? Even worse! At least with Windows on X86 it was easy to run whatever downloaded from anywhere or just wipe the thing and slap any BSD or Linux you wanted, thanks to the iSheep making Apple the richest corp on the planet ALL the new devices are gonna be game consoles, because "hey that's what folks want, look at Apple!". Better hang onto your old gear, and buy yourself the most powerful deaktop and laptop you can afford, because i truly believe we are in the last gasps of the golden age of open hardware. What we are gonna get next is game consoles all the way down, from the desktop to the tablet to the cellphone, its all gonna be locked down black boxes you throw away every 2 years when the corp drops support.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Back to the 80's, before the clone wars.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Yeah and as somebody old enough to remember those days (My first PC was a VIC 20, my parents got it because it was endorsed by The Shat) I can tell you those days SUUUUCCCCKKKKEEEED with a capital S! NOTHING worked together, NOTHING could be upgraded, and it ALL ended up in the trash when corporate moved to "the next new thing" because you quickly wouldn't get any software or hardware for the thing.

Again its just like a game console and ruins what for me was the big reason to choose PCs over consoles, the fact you could use them for other things when its gaming years were done. heck my very FIRST gaming PC is STILL GOING, it was a 60MHz 486SX I believe and its being used as a C&C for an ancient lathe at a local lumber mill. Talked to the guy that owns the place a year ago, he says that old thing still purrs like a kitten, runs the lathe 6 days a week. man they don't make 'em like that anymore.

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pgeorgi Member since:
2010-02-18

Anybody look at the new ChromeBooks? Can't run Debian, or Vector, or Red hat, or Slax, even though we are talking a Celeron dual, hard drive, bog standard laptop parts, why? Because Google has locked down the UEFI, just like MSFT!

Google doesn't use UEFI.

They use coreboot on their Intel based devices and uboot on their ARM based device - and looking at moving to coreboot there as well (see coreboot repository: http://review.coreboot.org)

The default is a no-pain system that allows Google to push updates while having a way to recover even from broken firmware updates. That one is signed-and-everything.

Then there's the developer switch, with which certain boot options change: signature checks are gone, graphics are initialized earlier (making it easier to boot non-ChromeOS), ...

Yes, that's not your typical open box, but Google did exactly the right thing: They provide a hardware based user override. From there, it's a bunch of steps to get your own system on there (since they customize the boot process to their liking), but it's Google employees writing these documents detailling the CLI commands (oh the horror!), and they even support external hackers trying to run other systems.

Will they continue to do that should ChromeBo{xes,ooks} ever gain dominance on the market? My magic 8-ball is as good on that as yours. Right now it's hard to blame them for not being open.

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Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

Cory Doctorow: The coming war on general computation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

That was Dec 2011. See how things have tightened up in just one year since then.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Yep and look at the guy above you defending Google like a battered wife "Its okay, he was just angry with me"...sigh. I'm really starting to wonder if the future is gonna be Rollerball, a handful of "supermegacorps" that the people worship and treat like fricking ballclubs that they rally around.

I think you would be hard pressed to find ANYBODY that is a big name in FOSS, not Doctorow,nor Raymond, nor RMS, nor Torvalds that would call what Google is doing any different than what MSFT is doing, sure there is a "dev mode" but they make it so damned much hoop jumping and BS that you can't even run a bog standard Linux on bog standard hardware!

Again you want MSFT gone? Fine, personally I'd rather see Ballmer fired and a more open company ala IBM take its place, but whatever. but do NOT cheer when somebody comes along and treats you WORSE than the last guy did! At least with WinBoxes you could take any CD and in under 5 minutes be on your way to installing any OS you felt like. if they all jump on the Google way of doing things its like I said, consoles all the way down and it STINKS. Google "does no evil" my southern behind.

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