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General Development "I was really excited to write this article, because it gave me an excuse to really think about what beautiful code is. I still don't think I know, and maybe it's entirely subjective. I do think the two biggest things, for me at least, are stylistic indenting and maximum const-ness. A lot of the stylistic choices are definitely my personal preferences, and I'm sure other programmers will have different opinions. I think the choice of what style to use is up to whoever has to read and write the code, but I certainly think it's something worth thinking about. I would suggest everyone look at the Doom 3 source code because I think it exemplifies beautiful code, as a complete package: from system design down to how to tab space the characters." John Carmack himself replies in the comments.
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RE[6]: Good article
by lucas_maximus on Wed 16th Jan 2013 17:01 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Good article"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Look I'm sorry you like VB, but the fact remains you can do better in just about any other language that targets .Net/CLR.


Utter rubbish. In fact in some circumstances VB actually has some advantages over C# (XML parsing for example).

VB is shit and it always was. VB lets you do completely unsafe things and even when you tighten it up to require as much safety as possible, it still lets you do ridiculously stupid things. A bad programmer can write reasonable code in C#, because there is a lot of padding to project them, not least proper type safety. A bad programmer will hack together a horrible solution in VB.


Absolute crap, I have seen C# programmers just wrap stuff in Try ... Catch statements when encountering a null pointer exception. This is pretty much the modern equivalent of VB6's "On Error Resume Next", rather than deal with the condition sanely.

Or my personal favourite, catch the exception and throw e.Message ... so you lose the original exception.

This has nothing to do with the code base. I've dealt with very competent programmers using VB, and the C# translation is still far less unsafe due to the greater type safety and lack of silent casting and type munging that VB does in the background.


I am sure I could find quite a few other languages that are far worse. VB.NET is fine if you take some care about what you are doing.

Just look at the dailywtf.com, there is bad code is eveyr language and the two factors that always rear their heads

* Mis-management
* Moronic Team members.

Edited 2013-01-16 17:03 UTC

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RE[7]: Good article
by henderson101 on Wed 16th Jan 2013 17:27 in reply to "RE[6]: Good article"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Utter rubbish. In fact in some circumstances VB actually has some advantages over C# (XML parsing for example).


In your opinion. I've had zero issues parsing Xml in C#. The VB syntax makes my eyes bleed. The best integration I've seen is Actionscript.

Absolute crap,


If you say so. I think most sensible people that have encountered VB programmers would beg to differ. Even recently, a contractor was "let go of" because his code was pretty much the epitome of VB legacy over sense.

I have seen C# programmers just wrap stuff in Try ... Catch statements when encountering a null pointer exception.


Haven't we all? And I've seen exactly the same in VB - plus all the other cruft that language brings with it. Between rewriting a few methods with bad decisions regarding exception handling and dealing with crusty VB code, well - I know what I'd prefer.

Or my personal favourite, catch the exception and throw e.Message ... so you lose the original exception.


Seriousy? Here is how I deal with that: 10 minute talk including best coding practices handout, misconduct warnings (1 verbal, 2 written), bad yearly review if there's no improvement, removal from project work - probable contract termination. Do you know how often my organisation has had to go past first formal written warning? Probably 2 times in the last 15 years. This is why you interview carefully - with a formal practical element, pay for training when required and don't hire incompetent people. That's not to say mistakes are never made, but that's also why you give new hires a 3 month probation and make sure contractors are on weekly contracts until they have proven themselves.

I am sure I could find quite a few other languages that are far worse. VB.NET is fine if you take some care about what you are doing.


And you can go on making excuses. Or you can just not use it. I know which one is better for my business and saves me the most money.

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RE[8]: Good article
by lucas_maximus on Wed 16th Jan 2013 18:52 in reply to "RE[7]: Good article"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Every single problem you have brought up and every solution has to be due to bad development practices in the vast number of cases.

I have no idea what you mean by "crufty" VB code, everything I can do in VB has direct C# equivalent apart from some minor things. But I come from a Java background.

Yes there are a few shitty things, but much like JavaScript and PHP if you are mindful of them you can successfully mitigate the problems ... again this comes down to whoever is writing the software.

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