Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Jan 2013 23:40 UTC
Windows Pokki is a start menu replacement for Windows - and it has already been downloaded 1.5 million times for Windows 8. "Since the launch of Windows 8, we've seen over 1.5 million Pokki downloads on the new OS itself and users opening the Pokki Menu an average of 10 times a day. These early numbers demonstrate that users enjoy being able to instantly access and discover apps, straight from the desktop." And this is just one of the countless replacements. Microsoft should've never kept the traditional desktop in there - they've given users the ability to escape Metro, and this will only hurt the new environment.
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Comment by Morgan
by Morgan on Wed 16th Jan 2013 23:58 UTC
Morgan
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2005-06-29

Microsoft should've never kept the traditional desktop in there - they've given users the ability to escape Metro, and this will only hurt the new environment.


Windows 8 is the transition OS, so there's no way they could have left it out and expected to see a single corporate sale. And as you suggested, they might never be able to break away from the old desktop paradigm completely. I have a feeling a large number of corporate and government IT departments would rather deal with transitioning to OS X, *BSD or GNU/Linux than fight with a fully Metro, "legacy desktop" free Windows OS. The fine-grained control that they enjoy with XP and 7 (and believe me, IT managers are nothing if not raging control freaks) is what holds them to those OSes.

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RE: Comment by Morgan
by Stephen! on Thu 17th Jan 2013 11:32 in reply to "Comment by Morgan"
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

Windows 8 is the transition OS, so there's no way they could have left it out and expected to see a single corporate sale.


It worked before though, with the transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by r_a_trip on Thu 17th Jan 2013 13:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, but that was a significant improvement. I've yet to see what TIFKAM does significantly better than the Windows 95 paradigm.

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by Dave_K on Thu 17th Jan 2013 13:58 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
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2005-11-16

It worked before though, with the transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.


When it comes to the user interface, going from Win 3.1 to Win 95 was a much less radical change.

In addition, Windows 95 actually offered more features and flexibility, rather than massively restricting the user. Pretty much anything that can be done in 3.1 can also be done in 95, while that isn't true of Modern UI's touch tablet optimised interface.

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by Carrot007 on Thu 17th Jan 2013 14:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
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2008-02-04

It worked before though, with the transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.


Windows 95 gave you the option to select the old 3.1 progman.exe shell when installing. (certainly in the original release, maybe even in OSR2).

Progman.exe was kept in all the 9x os's and is even present on win XP (havn't got a vista/7/8 machine handy to check right now). However since the explorer interface was an inprovement apps quickly tended to stop intalling things so that they appeared in progman so it was pretty useless as an application launcher.

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by ze_jerkface on Thu 17th Jan 2013 16:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

It worked before though, with the transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95.


That was before the corporate world went all-in with Win32 and .NET for internal applications.

You can't get rid of Win32.

It just won't happen. Ever.

Even if Microsoft broke compatibility it would be far cheaper for the corporate world to fund WINE than to re-develop all that software. Ditching Win32 is a fantasy that shouldn't be given any more serious thought than Santa Claus.

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RE: Comment by Morgan
by Yoko_T on Thu 17th Jan 2013 18:42 in reply to "Comment by Morgan"
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2011-08-18

"Microsoft should've never kept the traditional desktop in there - they've given users the ability to escape Metro, and this will only hurt the new environment.


Windows 8 is the transition OS, so there's no way they could have left it out and expected to see a single corporate sale. And as you suggested, they might never be able to break away from the old desktop paradigm completely. I have a feeling a large number of corporate and government IT departments would rather deal with transitioning to OS X, *BSD or GNU/Linux than fight with a fully Metro, "legacy desktop" free Windows OS. The fine-grained control that they enjoy with XP and 7 (and believe me, IT managers are nothing if not raging control freaks) is what holds them to those OSes.
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What's with these *ASSHATS* and this overwhelming desire they seem to have to force people to use God-Awful GUI's like this one,GNOME 3, and Unity, nevermind the fact that people have made clear they want *NOTHING* to do with them.

It's like they can't stand the fact that people in the *REAL WORLD* detest these UI designs.

Edited 2013-01-17 18:50 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by ze_jerkface on Fri 18th Jan 2013 08:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Amen! (thunderous applause).

Unity, Gnome 3, and Windows 8 are all abominations.

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RE[2]: Comment by Morgan
by zima on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 22:35 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morgan"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Unity, nevermind the fact that people have made clear they want *NOTHING* to do with them.
It's like they can't stand the fact that people in the *REAL WORLD* detest these UI designs.

Unity and Ubuntu seem to be doing fine...

As far as anecdotes go: I have around some people who use & like it. Also, go through recent Wikimedia stats ( http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/ ) - Ubuntu might be the the only non-Android distro really growing.

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RE: Comment by Morgan
by bassbeast on Fri 18th Jan 2013 13:15 in reply to "Comment by Morgan"
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2007-11-11

Transition to...what exactly? tablets they can't give away? They had to cut orders for Surface in half because they have a warehouse full of 'em. Phones they can't give away? Ask Nokia how those WinPhone sales are.

What this is is a company burning down their house in the hopes to move into a new neighborhood where they simply aren't wanted. Gorilla arm and the crazy high markup required on large touch screens because so many come off the line bad means touch is gonna go exactly NOWHERE when it comes to X86, go into any B&M store and you'll see they have maybe ONE touchscreen unit and that is usually an iMac clone, the rest are all non touch, and thanks to Ballmer trying to price Surface to please Wall Street its a total flop, with a broken appstore, lousy performance compared to the price you pay, and I'm betting like all Windows devices the resale will be terrible.

The simple fact is if they want a piece of the mobile pie they are gonna have to spin off the mobile division, the old "EEE" strategy is obviously not gonna work and all they are doing is destroying one of the few markets they have left for a market that doesn't want them. Look up the sales figures on X86, the fourth quarter is always an uptick thanks to Xmas shoppers yet in the fourth quarter last year sales dropped like a stone, more than 13%. Its obvious by how many millions of users things like Pokki are getting Metro is a big DO NOT WANT and for every 1 user who knows they can hack the shell you have a dozen that simply aren't buying a new PC at all.

Ballmer has blown over 40 BILLION in the past 5 years on failed ventures, this level of loss simply is not sustainable and if they don't change direction but quick they are gonna end up in the same boat as Nokia and RIM, two once great corps that are on life support. You just can't force a new UI that doesn't work on the masses, not when there is competition. All the OEMs have killed their Surface products, it appears most are in talks with Google for ChromeBooks and ChromeTops where the OS cost won't bleed them dry, and the users are quite happy with Android and Apple in the mobile space. The days of MSFT being able to force their way into a market are over, they either accept that and slowly build new markets like IBM did or keep blowing cash like HP until they end up in serious trouble, their choice.

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