Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 16th Jan 2013 23:40 UTC
Windows Pokki is a start menu replacement for Windows - and it has already been downloaded 1.5 million times for Windows 8. "Since the launch of Windows 8, we've seen over 1.5 million Pokki downloads on the new OS itself and users opening the Pokki Menu an average of 10 times a day. These early numbers demonstrate that users enjoy being able to instantly access and discover apps, straight from the desktop." And this is just one of the countless replacements. Microsoft should've never kept the traditional desktop in there - they've given users the ability to escape Metro, and this will only hurt the new environment.
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RE[3]: Just a thought...
by WorknMan on Thu 17th Jan 2013 03:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Just a thought..."
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

I personally feel the review is just about right. I tried to use Windows 8 since the "Release Preview" as my primary Windows "desktop". And I gave up like two weeks ago, reformatted and returned to Windows 7 on my Windows box. The exact reason for this was that the "Windows 8 was unusable"


Honestly, I don't really understand this mentality. If you don't like Metro, fine. But why go back to Win7? Once you actually get to the desktop in Windows 8, it is pretty much the same as Windows 7, with some new bells & whistles. As a self-proclaimed power user, I had no trouble adapting to the Metro start screen, mainly because I use it the same as I used the start menu in Windows 7:

In Windows 7:
Press the Win key, start typing the name of the application until it is selected, and then press Enter

In Windows 8:
Press the Win key, start typing the name of the application until it is selected, and then press Enter

It's the same damn process, but in Windows 8, it's actually a little faster. And of course, there are tons of start menu replacements available. As for Metro itself, I find it to be mostly useless (except for the Messenger app which gives me desktop notifications when I get a Facebook message), but its use is hardly mandatory. In fact, I forget it's even there 99% of the time. And it's not like Metro is slowing things down either, as Windows 8 feels at least as fast as Win7 did. If anything, it's just a little extra thing that's included with the OS.

So I'm puzzled as to why anyone would go back to Windows 7, esp with the benefits that Windows 8 offers - native USB 3.0 support, a much better task manager, native ISO mounting, taskbars on multiple monitors, hyper V virtualization, etc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Of course, I COULD go back to Win7, but it has absolutely nothing to offer me that Win8 doesn't. Plus, for $40 I got the Pro version (from Win7's Home Premium), so I can remote desktop in from any machine on my LAN.

Edited 2013-01-17 03:24 UTC

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RE[4]: Just a thought...
by edwdig on Thu 17th Jan 2013 04:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Just a thought..."
edwdig Member since:
2005-08-22

Well, here's my point of view:

I use most Start Menu features. My most frequently used apps are pinned to the task bar, my less frequent ones to Start. I use the submenus apps can create. For example, Start -> Putty -> Server is a nice shortcut. I use the shortcuts on the right side of the menu a lot.

If I'm not sure what I'm looking for and have to browse the Start menu, the new menu sucks. The large buttons mean you don't fit much on screen at once and make scrolling slow. The default view of not showing everything doesn't always work, and it doesn't scale up well if you show everything.

The Win8 Start menu is hard on the eyes when it opens up - the full screen flash and all the animations as things come in. I flinch every time it opens - only a little now, but it was more drastic in the beginning.

The new desktop theme sucks. Everything is too flat. Buttons don't stand out enough. It just takes longer to find buttons with the new subtle style.

The new Explorer interface is awful. It was much easier to use without the ribbons.

I worked with Win8 for about 6 months. I could be productive on it, but in the end, I'm far more productive on Win7. The OS level improvements in Win8 are pretty minor, but the UI changes are a pretty big setback. It's not even close, Win7 is far better as far as I'm concerned.

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RE[5]: Just a thought...
by rebus on Thu 17th Jan 2013 06:35 in reply to "RE[4]: Just a thought..."
rebus Member since:
2009-10-25

You can use left bottom corner right click menu (or Win+X) for that, a nice little utility to edit it exists.

I actually prefer it over Win7 start menu and use Metro start menu only for searching apps.

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RE[4]: Just a thought...
by ze_jerkface on Thu 17th Jan 2013 08:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Just a thought..."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

In Windows 7:
Press the Win key, start typing the name of the application until it is selected, and then press Enter

In Windows 8:
Press the Win key, start typing the name of the application until it is selected, and then press Enter


Let me fix that for you:
In Windows 8:
Press the Win key, start typing AND METRO JUMPS IN AND SCREAMS HEEEEYYYOOOOOOO like annoying adware. Oh I'm sorry did I ask for playskool puke tiles to load when I wanted a program?


I shouldn't have to see a full screen animation when I want to launch a single application. That's freaking retarded.

Anyways "type n run" isn't faster if my hand is already on the mouse. Furthermore I have over 50 items in my start menu at work, do I need to go memorize them all for Windows 8? Some I only use twice a year.

I also have multiple versions of the same program so "type the program" becomes an incredible waste of time as I have to hover over the icon to look at the path.

I and others listed dozens of problems that start screen causes on the Windows 8 blog. Instead of utilizing common sense as a 5 year old would do and make Metro optional Sinofsky decided to censor the most damning criticisms and force his grand vision on us.

But I guess we developers were wrong and Sinofsky was right as seen by what a hot seller Windows 8 has turned out to be. I mean what better evidence of Windows 8 being a great idea than the third party market that has been created to fix the goddamn thing.

Edited 2013-01-17 08:12 UTC

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RE[5]: Just a thought...
by cjmuk on Thu 17th Jan 2013 11:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Just a thought..."
cjmuk Member since:
2013-01-16

Anyways "type n run" isn't faster if my hand is already on the mouse. Furthermore I have over 50 items in my start menu at work, do I need to go memorize them all for Windows 8? Some I only use twice a year.

I also have multiple versions of the same program so "type the program" becomes an incredible waste of time as I have to hover over the icon to look at the path.


Indeed.

There are reasons we have mice. And there are delays whenever we need to swap from mouse to keyboard and back.

There are also reasons why book pages have limited width and why newspapers have multiple narrow columns of text. Similarly, there are reasons why try to avoid horizontal scrolling in web development, but allow a certain amount of vertical scrolling. Forgetting all the other UI crimes of Metro, why give us a wholly unnatural situation were we have an awkward-to-scan bloated, horizontally-scrolling menu and then ask us to scroll using a vertical scroll wheel...??

For the record, I am a happy Win8 user and have been since the beginning - at least once Start8 removed the pain of the Start screen, and once I found proper replacements for the poor out-of-the-box apps. Overall, the OS is stable and responsive, and there are a few nice touches.

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RE[4]: Just a thought...
by ricegf on Thu 17th Jan 2013 10:45 in reply to "RE[3]: Just a thought..."
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

And of course, there are tons of start menu replacements available.


Oh, no, there goes Microsoft copying Linux again!

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