Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 18th Jan 2013 15:42 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "In December, the Google Nexus made by Taiwan's Asustek Computer Inc. accounted for 44.4% of all tablet sales by volume electronics retailers. That's according to a survey of 2,400 stores nationwide by market research firm BCN Inc., released Wednesday. Google's figure beat Apple's 40.1% share, dethroning the iPad for the first time since it went on sale in May 2010." Just as I and many others with me predicted, what happened in the smartphone market will also happen in the tablet market: Android will take the numbers, iOS will take the figures (i.e., profit). As far as I know, this is the first time this has actually materialised fully in a market, though. Also, while it was inevitable that Android would overtake iOS on tablets (even if it is just a single country, for now), I don't think anyone predicted it would be a single model? Colour me impressed (which is pink).
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RE[2]: Some context
by Nelson on Fri 18th Jan 2013 21:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Some context"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Actually, the nexus seven beats the ipad mini in every important metric. it's half the price, has a higher Res screen, has android instead of ios, and has a much sexier appearance (largely due to aspect ratio).
Maybe customers are just thinking before they buy.


The ipad mini will sell well, just because it is apple, but it will never get anywhere near the success of the iPod, iPhone or ipad.


I guess you'd be right, if we lived in a vacuum and nothing ever changed. In fact, I specifically address your very point in my original comment.

The iPad Mini, given time to be iterated on, will prove to be a very attractive offering from Apple.

I don't think Apple wants to participate in a price war to the bottom, and I think that customers will be willing to pay a premium (like they do for iPhones) for an iPad Mini. Key differentiators being build quality, ecosystem maturity, and OS preference.

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RE[3]: Some context
by woegjiub on Fri 18th Jan 2013 23:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Some context"
woegjiub Member since:
2008-11-25

However, Google are the ones who rapidly improve their products. Apple have been sitting and marketing minor adjustments.

The ipad mini is rubbish compared to the other mini tablets out here, yet costs more.
Sure, they could up the resolution and the CPU, but then they would need to charge even more to keep their obscene margins, which is not really marketable to intelligent users when the alternatives already offer superior hardware and software at a lower price point.

Your only argument is that the ipad apps are somehow compelling, and that there are people who prefer ios.
Apple's build quality is relatively nice, but I prefer that of Samsung and Asus, so it's not an apple-specific advantage.

I have yet to see any app on the ipad which would make the mini worthwhile. Everything there is either useless bling, or would work far better on the larger version.

It seems to me that most of these apps are just useless, like apps for websites instead of just using a browser and RSS reader.

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RE[4]: Some context
by WereCatf on Sat 19th Jan 2013 00:19 in reply to "RE[3]: Some context"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I have yet to see any app on the ipad which would make the mini worthwhile. Everything there is either useless bling, or would work far better on the larger version.


I don't really see how Android's app selection is much different. I mean, there's a small amount of good, worthwhile apps for both operating systems and then there's truckloads of crap ones -- Android is no exception.

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RE[4]: Some context
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Some context"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

However, Google are the ones who rapidly improve their products. Apple have been sitting and marketing minor adjustments.


That's interesting. I find iOS to be an infinitely more consistent and pleasing ecosystem to use. Things just work. Apps are just there.

On Android, things might work, and apps might be there if your phone/tablet is the right model. Also performance can be all over the map.


The ipad mini is rubbish compared to the other mini tablets out here, yet costs more.
Sure, they could up the resolution and the CPU, but then they would need to charge even more to keep their obscene margins, which is not really marketable to intelligent users when the alternatives already offer superior hardware and software at a lower price point.


Did Apple have to charge more to keep the iPad's margins when they upped its CPU and resolution? Apple has the best supply chain set up in the world, their economy of scale and content subsidization makes them more than capable of differentiating on spec.

If anything, no non-Apple OEM save for maybe Microsoft with the Surface has been able to use something other than mediocre build quality.

I wouldn't bet against Apple being able to out-maneuver other OEMs when it comes to manufacturing and build quality. They can make a better looking and feeling tablet and still stay at the price they need to be at. That, and their ecosystem, is how they'll win.


Your only argument is that the ipad apps are somehow compelling, and that there are people who prefer ios.
Apple's build quality is relatively nice, but I prefer that of Samsung and Asus, so it's not an apple-specific advantage.

I have yet to see any app on the ipad which would make the mini worthwhile. Everything there is either useless bling, or would work far better on the larger version.


I don't think you not seeing use in something means that use is not there. In fact, I'm convinced your wrong. The Android ecosystem, especially for tablets, doesn't compare to the iPad ecosystem. Its not even remotely close.

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RE[3]: Some context
by JAlexoid on Mon 21st Jan 2013 05:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Some context"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

iPad Mini is just not an attractive value proposition. iPad2 is still in active manufacturing and is only 20%(25% in US) more expensive than an iPad Mini.

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RE[3]: Some context
by phoudoin on Mon 21st Jan 2013 14:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Some context"
phoudoin Member since:
2006-06-09

Key differentiators being build quality, ecosystem maturity, and OS preference.
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Agreed.
So... according these differentiatiors, can you again explain why japaneses choose N7 over iPad Mini, then!?

Edited 2013-01-21 15:00 UTC

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