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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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my 2 cents
by TechGeek on Fri 18th Jan 2013 23:48 UTC
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There is a bit of reality distortion going on in that article. I wouldn't point it out but it kind of makes my point. The iPod didn't turn the music industry on its head. iTunes did. The Creative Zen was out long before iPod, but you couldn't buy music. The reason why the labels trusted Jobs was because he was one of them, owning Pixar. Had Amazon been selling music at the time like now, the Zen would be the device the iPod was. (In fact, Apple had to pay $4 million to Creative for stealing the Zen interface for the iPod)

As for the other devices, other companies were doing similar things at the same time. In fact, Apple just lost its design patents in a EU court last week because there is no proof that the design concepts were created by Apple.

What Apple does do well is hype and polish. They are the Ford of the IT world. Ford didn't invent the automobile. Ford invented a better way of making the automobile and pushed it across the country. So today we all recognize the Ford Model A. Same with Apple. We all recognize their products. They are all distinctive in the industry. But don't think for a second that they are alone in the industry. Its not that there is a double standard. Its that too much praise is heaped on Apple for things that everyone else is doing. Where is the praise for Google's world changing Android? How about praise for Samsung's industry changing technologies? See, for everyone else, its just another day at the office. But Apple wants you to think they walk on water. Thats how they get people to buy their stuff.

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RE: my 2 cents
by brichpmr on Sat 19th Jan 2013 01:15 in reply to "my 2 cents"
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2006-04-22

There is a bit of reality distortion going on in that article. I wouldn't point it out but it kind of makes my point. The iPod didn't turn the music industry on its head. iTunes did. The Creative Zen was out long before iPod, but you couldn't buy music. The reason why the labels trusted Jobs was because he was one of them, owning Pixar. Had Amazon been selling music at the time like now, the Zen would be the device the iPod was. (In fact, Apple had to pay $4 million to Creative for stealing the Zen interface for the iPod)

As for the other devices, other companies were doing similar things at the same time. In fact, Apple just lost its design patents in a EU court last week because there is no proof that the design concepts were created by Apple.

What Apple does do well is hype and polish. They are the Ford of the IT world. Ford didn't invent the automobile. Ford invented a better way of making the automobile and pushed it across the country. So today we all recognize the Ford Model A. Same with Apple. We all recognize their products. They are all distinctive in the industry. But don't think for a second that they are alone in the industry. Its not that there is a double standard. Its that too much praise is heaped on Apple for things that everyone else is doing. Where is the praise for Google's world changing Android? How about praise for Samsung's industry changing technologies? See, for everyone else, its just another day at the office. But Apple wants you to think they walk on water. Thats how they get people to buy their stuff.


I disagree....word of mouth and observation drive people to buy Apple's products. Every time I pick up a Galaxy S3, I go back to the iPhone and it's obvious to me why the latter is a superior, more cohesive user experience. This has nothing to do with thinking that Apple is infallible; it's about individual informed choice...period.

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RE[2]: my 2 cents
by devnet on Sat 19th Jan 2013 01:42 in reply to "RE: my 2 cents"
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2007-01-16

word of mouth? You got that right. But it's more than that.

Apple is selling a lifestyle, not pieces of hardware. You HAVE to buy their new stuff or people look at you like you're a moron.

As an example, I'm in the coffee shop with my laptop. I dual boot Linux and Windows. A girl sitting next to me strikes up a conversation and begins talking down to me like I don't know about social networks or computers.

I work in IT and even do some programming. Yet there she was acting like I had no idea what a computer was, what as social network was, or how anything actually worked. All because I didn't have a Mac.

That's how it is now...it's more than pieces of hardware...you have to get that hardware before people think you're with it. Otherwise, they think you're washed up and ignorant.

It's herd mentality at its best.

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RE[2]: my 2 cents
by TechGeek on Sat 19th Jan 2013 02:17 in reply to "RE: my 2 cents"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

I disagree....word of mouth and observation drive people to buy Apple's products. Every time I pick up a Galaxy S3, I go back to the iPhone and it's obvious to me why the latter is a superior, more cohesive user experience. This has nothing to do with thinking that Apple is infallible; it's about individual informed choice...period.


Have you seen there marketing machine? Just look at the PC vs Mac line of ads. All of their ads make you think you have to have the latest Apple product just to be normal. Look at the way they introduce new products. For each product launch they have a giant event like they just found the cure to cancer or something. Its not informed choice. Most of their customers are not in IT. They don't have a damn clue about the technology in their device. What they do know is that Apple says they need to buy one because its revolutionary and better.

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RE[2]: my 2 cents
by JAlexoid on Mon 21st Jan 2013 06:49 in reply to "RE: my 2 cents"
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2009-05-19

Every time I pick up a Galaxy S3, I go back to the iPhone and it's obvious to me why the latter is a superior

Not obvious enough, apparently. You're used to the iPhone way of doing things.

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RE: my 2 cents
by robco74 on Sat 19th Jan 2013 03:37 in reply to "my 2 cents"
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2009-10-22

I would disagree with this. People could rip their CDs easily. The click-wheel interface combined with a larger display made finding a track easy. You could scroll through a large music library easily and find the song or artist you wanted. The same was not true of competing devices at the time. Apple also built in FireWire, which shipped with most Macs at the time. Users could load up 5GB of music quickly compared to USB 1.1.

It's true that iTunes made it easy to manage music and create playlists and such, but the device itself was much more user friendly. Despite the higher cost, comparatively small amount of storage, and the fact it only worked with the Mac at first, it took off.

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RE[2]: my 2 cents
by zima on Thu 24th Jan 2013 17:35 in reply to "RE: my 2 cents"
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2005-07-06

iPod didn't really took off for the first few years, in its original form which you mostly describe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg - until 2005, it was a minuscule player (pun intended); and afterwards, it made an impact mostly just in a few atypical, affluent, and visible markets.

By 2005, most of the world was already starting to leapfrog dedicated portable audio players, going for mobile phones (in 2007 or so I read a report about how ~20% of European mobile subscribers uses their phones for music consumption - that alone already means more people than all iPods ever made)

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RE: my 2 cents
by grat on Sat 19th Jan 2013 05:39 in reply to "my 2 cents"
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2006-02-02

Saw an ad this week for the iPhone 5 where Apple was implying that they originated the concept of noise canceling via external microphone.

Pretty sure that concept dates back to around 2008. No wonder Samsung has been pounding the "it's already here" drum.

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RE[2]: my 2 cents
by WereCatf on Sat 19th Jan 2013 05:46 in reply to "RE: my 2 cents"
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2006-02-15

Pretty sure that concept dates back to around 2008.


Only if you add the "on a mobile-phone" to it. Noise-cancellation via one or more extraneous microphones has been around for decades otherwise.

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