Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:22 UTC
Opera Software This is actually pretty big news - both exciting and tragic at the same time. Opera has revealed Opera Ice, its next mobile browser, to PocketLint. This new browser represent a big shift in both user interface as well as rendering engine, since it has a new, unique interface, as well as a new rendering engine... New to Opera, that is, as it's a WebKit-browser.
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by Kroc on Sat 19th Jan 2013 17:13 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

And then do what?

You can't change the default browser on iOS. Forking WebKit won't change what Apple choose to do. It won't change what Google do. Forking WebKit achieves almost nothing as far as user-freedom is concerned in real terms.

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by PresentIt on Sat 19th Jan 2013 18:27 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

If WebKit stalls then Apple will be a competitive disadvantage compared to the superior forks, and there will be no financial incentive to continue supporting Apple's platform.

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by Kroc on Sat 19th Jan 2013 18:36 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

That's assuming that Apple cares about web apps.
If anything, it appears to me that Apple are trying to obsolete the web with their app store.

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by UltraZelda64 on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 01:12 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

And then do what?

You can't change the default browser on iOS. Forking WebKit won't change what Apple choose to do. It won't change what Google do. Forking WebKit achieves almost nothing as far as user-freedom is concerned in real terms.

If Apple wants to stubbornly force all users of their operating system to use *their* web browsing engine, then your problem is Apple, their OS, and the phone you bought from them that enforces these rules. Use that phone to give Apple a call and tell them to fuck off, and then just go buy something else--preferably something that doesn't eliminate all competition before it even has the chance to exist. Problem solved.

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 19:40 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't know what your real terms are that you're using to define "user-freedom", but I think I disagree.

Have you ever tried writing your own browser from scratch? I mean, even a simple text based, no javascript one?

Forking it won't immediately change an ios user's experience, but that's kind of a narrow view. Webkit itself started off as KHTML. I bet you would have written off the continued development of KHTML as well. Who ever thought that KHTML was ever going to be used by real people, ever?

Once source is free and open, it ends up being found in the most unlikely places imaginable. If its not Apple's gear, then maybe someone you've never heard of will rise up and perfect the brain-computer interface complete with a forked webkit based interface. You just never know. Having a free piece of valuable software like a rendering engine lowers the barrier to entry, encouraging competition.

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