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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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RE[2]: Reponse
by bassbeast on Sat 19th Jan 2013 17:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Reponse"
bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

Nobody minds if MSFT innovates, what they mind is when MSFT puts out a BROKEN interface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

Watch the video, here is a guy that writes TECH ARTICLES and has written about multiple OSes and even HE can't find what should be simple tools that everybody will need, simple things like "how to make a restore disc" and "How do i close metro Apps" because MSFT doesn't explain anything or give ANY context for the user to learn the new UI, which leads to frustration.

I had a PC running win 8 at the shop for nearly 7 months for users to try and I can tell you he is NOT alone, none of my users could figure out how to do squat without using one of the other PCs to Google what to do which when you need a Win 7 PC just so you can Google how to use the Win 8 PC? I'm sorry but that isn't innovation, that is just broken.

I've been using PCs since the VIC 20, I'm always up for trying and learning new OSes, but after a month of Win 8 I wanted to pull my hair out. its so obviously built for touch that it hurts. "Well what is wrong with that?" most will ask. Simple less than 2% of the PCs on the planet are touch and that isn't gonna change anytime soon and using a trackpad with it is just agony, it can't decide whether you are swiping or moving so half the time you'll get one, half the time the other, the whole OS feels random and out of control.

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RE[3]: Reponse
by Morgan on Sat 19th Jan 2013 20:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

...when you need a Win 7 PC just so you can Google how to use the Win 8 PC? I'm sorry but that isn't innovation, that is just broken.


That's been almost exactly my experience with it, and I've mastered some of the most esoteric and backwards interfaces out there under GNU/Linux and other OSes. I got the basics of navigating Metro and the slightly tweaked classic desktop, but anything beyond web browsing seems to be purposely hidden. Using a keyboard and mouse in Metro feels like using a Nintendo WiiMote to navigate Windows 7: Inaccurate, slow, painful, and confusing.

And I get what Microsoft is trying to do, but they are trying too hard and too soon. I realized something else about Metro: It's almost as if it's designed to eventually work with a Kinect device for input. A lot of the touch-friendly gestures would work well with such a device, to the point that I wonder if they actually used it during development (in parallel to the version of Metro that's on the Xbox 360).

Of course, as far as I know the Kinect isn't fully supported on Windows 8 yet; RT doesn't support it at all and there are only basic drivers for 8. Perhaps they realized what kind of monstrosity they had built and scrapped those plans, assuming they even had them to start with. I guess we'll never know.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by bassbeast on Sun 20th Jan 2013 08:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Bite your tongue! They still can't get Kinect to work right with games, I can just imagine what it would be like as a PC interface! /moves hand to save work/ "Oh you want me to delete and shutdown? Okay"...nooooooo!

And everyone can see what "MSFT is trying to do" they are trying to turn Windows into a cellphone so the users will "get used to it" and buy their overpriced WinPhones and WinRT tablets...which they just had to cut orders in half on because nobody is gonna pay more than an iPad or Kindle for something with no apps and lousy software support..sigh.

If they don't get Ballmer out of the big chair soon I could easily see MSFT becoming another RIM, a once great company that only has legacy customers and even they are looking at exit strategies. The sad part is if they would ape IBM instead of Apple they'd be doing great, they could backport the appstore to Win 7 and focus on selling features and support contracts to supplement their OS sales but Ballmer just can't see past Cupertino and that is gonna be what runs the company into the ground.

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RE[3]: Reponse
by HappyGod on Sun 20th Jan 2013 03:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

Totally agree.

It took me absolutely ages just to figure out how to shut down my god damned PC in Windows 8.

It's now a game I play with guests on my media PC. I see how long it takes each of them to figure it out. Most just give up.

In case you're wondering, you have to hover you mouse over the right side of the screen, click a totally inappropriate cog icon (which is the universal icon for settings), and then find the icon amongst five other down the bottom of the side bar.

And this is just one of many such bizarre UI decisions in Win8. It really seems like they came up with this stuff while under the influence.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by WereCatf on Sun 20th Jan 2013 03:30 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Oh, you do it that way. I thought you're supposed to log out first by clicking on your avatar on the Start screen and then clicking on the shutdown - thingie.

Oh well. Just goes to show how unintuitive that whole process is.

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RE[3]: Reponse
by Soulbender on Sun 20th Jan 2013 08:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18



Man, that was absolutely hilarious.

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