Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Jan 2013 14:22 UTC
Opera Software This is actually pretty big news - both exciting and tragic at the same time. Opera has revealed Opera Ice, its next mobile browser, to PocketLint. This new browser represent a big shift in both user interface as well as rendering engine, since it has a new, unique interface, as well as a new rendering engine... New to Opera, that is, as it's a WebKit-browser.
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by Laurence on Sun 20th Jan 2013 12:37 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

What about HTML5? Parts of it are ready already. But as you may notice, doing things properly takes time.

I wouldn't call most of the stuff in HTML5 as a dynamic, interactive and multimedia rich language done well.

The problem with W3C isn't that they're perfecting the language - which takes time. It's purely politics.

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by PresentIt on Sun 20th Jan 2013 13:07 in reply to "RE[6]: ..."
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

The bottom line is that things need to be done right, and the W3C ensures that this happens.

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by Laurence on Sun 20th Jan 2013 13:12 in reply to "RE[7]: ..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

The bottom line is that things need to be done right, and the W3C ensures that this happens.

You clearly didn't read my comment.

W3C doesn't ensure that things are done 'right', 'well' or 'properly'. They only ensure that the specification is open and standardised.

It's entirely possible for a specification to be both open and standardised, and for it to be complete crap. The former two points have no baring on whether a specification is any good and it's entirely possible for a private entity to write a better (in terms of implementation) standard.

That all said, although I don't think the W3C are doing a particularly effective job, I'm not arguing that we should be getting rid of them either. I just wanted to make the point that their issues are politically related and not the pursuit of perfection.

Edited 2013-01-20 13:17 UTC

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by lucas_maximus on Sun 20th Jan 2013 21:36 in reply to "RE[6]: ..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The thing I find frustrating is that HTML 5 and other new web tech has all been lumped together. Which really muddy the waters.

While some of the newer tags are useful, for describing content, the main thing I want to use is CSS 3.0.

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by Laurence on Sun 20th Jan 2013 22:00 in reply to "RE[7]: ..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

The thing I find frustrating is that HTML 5 and other new web tech has all been lumped together. Which really muddy the waters.

While some of the newer tags are useful, for describing content, the main thing I want to use is CSS 3.0.

That's true. And I'm in a similar position to yourself ;)

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