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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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RE[3]: Reponse
by WereCatf on Sun 20th Jan 2013 13:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Mobile device platform utilisation can be measured by these sort of common sense metrics (I have probably missed some)

Web browsing
Web commerce
Developer revenues
Peripheral makers revenues
Hardware makers profits
Advertising income and spend
Availability of digital content

The most striking thing when one looks at the statistics for these sorts of platform utilisation metrics is how consistently they show iOS significantly out performing Android. It seems that in terms of platform utilisation, and therefore in terms of added value in the ecosystem, one average iOS user is worth several times one average Android user.


Too simplistic. Such a comparison completely ignores facts like e.g. there are no sub-$100 iPhones -- poor people generally buy cheaper phones and end up spending less money on all sorts of extras, so that immediately drags the average down.

If you wanted a more honest comparison you'd have to compare phone models of similar price and then see how the numbers add up. Then again, this is such an obvious thing that I have a strong feeling of bias on your part.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by Tony Swash on Sun 20th Jan 2013 15:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Too simplistic. Such a comparison completely ignores facts like e.g. there are no sub-$100 iPhones -- poor people generally buy cheaper phones and end up spending less money on all sorts of extras, so that immediately drags the average down.

If you wanted a more honest comparison you'd have to compare phone models of similar price and then see how the numbers add up. Then again, this is such an obvious thing that I have a strong feeling of bias on your part.


I am not sure how your argument counters what I am saying. I was responding to people who say that because Android is outselling iOS it is turning into a repeat of Mac Vs Windows and Android is winning the platform wars just like Windows did by selling more units. I am saying that not all units are equal. It seems that iOS units count more as platforms than Android units.

If it is true that the disparity in platform utilisation between iOS and Android is because a lot of sub-$100 Android phones are being sold then that merely explains the disparity it does change the consequences.

The fact of the matter is that Android is outselling iOS significantly and the Android installed base is now significantly bigger than the iOS installed. Yet the iOS ecosystem is much more healthy, dynamic, and lucrative than the Android ecosystem. Apple makes almost all the profits in the phones business and almost all Android OEMs except for Samsung are barely scrapping by. iOS developers are making more money than Android developers, the same with contents sellers, advertisers, peripheral makers. The iOS ecosystem is healthy, the Android ecosystem is surprisingly anaemic. The 'market share trumps everything' strand of thinking says it should be the other way round.That is the result of the difference in platform utilisation between the two.

Cheap Android phones may explain that phenomena (I personally think that 's only part of the answer BTW) but it does not change it.

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RE[5]: Reponse
by JAlexoid on Mon 21st Jan 2013 06:30 in reply to "RE[4]: Reponse"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

If you frequent Apple fanboi related sites, which I suspect you do, you have fallen to this issue of misrepresenting facts and clinging to numbers that are barely have any meaning outside of a small number of users.

Android install base is not significantly larger than an iOS install base. Both should be about 500mil by now, with a margin of error of no more than 15%. Total app revenues are barely known, as only Apple's revenues can be counted up. And there are stories on both sides of massive piracy and massive profits, that don't support any death threats to any platform.

And then there's this BS that comes from nowhere:

The iOS ecosystem is healthy, the Android ecosystem is surprisingly anaemic.

Both ecosystems are healthy and active.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by bassbeast on Mon 21st Jan 2013 02:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Not to mention Werecat that most importantly Google makes their money from datamining so how many apps sell in a particular month? Doesn't affect their bottom line in the slightest. Heck they could afford to just outright buy the developers of the next Angry Birds style hit game and give it away with every Android phone and STILL make insane piles of money because they have the kind of information advertisers LOVE, they have users going from Chrome on their desktops to Android smartphones so they can target those ads like a fricking laser at the consumer.

So for Google you simply can't use the kinds of metric that Apple uses because Google isn't really a software OR a hardware company, they are an AD company so all that really matters to them is not how much Bill and Suzy pay for their smartphones, just that those smartphones are Android.

And I don't know how it is in your area but ever since Walmart (don't know how big Wally World is there but its fricking HUGE here, like McDonald's when it comes to sheer volume) started carrying Android smartphones at ALL price points with their prepaid plans they have just exploded, I mean everybody is using the things now, you just can't get away from 'em. After trying a friend's Samsung that only cost $75 (the unlimited everything plan is only $50 which is dirt cheap here) I can see why and most likely will switch when my plan expires, we're talking unlimited everything including web, a 1GHz with Skype and Wifi for $75?

so as I said there is a REASON why Apple is always having to find new markets because if they don't they find themselves in a race to the bottom which they don't want any part of. If the rumors are true and the next "big thing" Cook is gonna unveil is gonna be a watch? Yeah i don't think that one will fly off the shelves. But as a retailer I can tell you that when products get "good enough" it quickly becomes price above all and I'd say we are there when it comes to phones and tablets.

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RE[5]: Reponse
by Soulbender on Mon 21st Jan 2013 03:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Reponse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

(don't know how big Wally World is there but its fricking HUGE here


In case you wonder, Walmart really doesn't exist in any meaningful way outside the U.S.

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RE[5]: Reponse
by WereCatf on Mon 21st Jan 2013 03:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Reponse"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

(the unlimited everything plan is only $50 which is dirt cheap here) I can see why and most likely will switch when my plan expires, we're talking unlimited everything including web, a 1GHz with Skype and Wifi for $75?


The prepaid plan that you're talking about isn't really fully-unlimited as once you go past 2GB used data it gets throttled a lot.

http://www.tuaw.com/2013/01/17/why-walmarts-straight-talk-unlimited...

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RE[5]: Reponse
by Tony Swash on Mon 21st Jan 2013 12:24 in reply to "RE[4]: Reponse"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

Not to mention Werecat that most importantly Google makes their money from datamining so how many apps sell in a particular month? Doesn't affect their bottom line in the slightest. Heck they could afford to just outright buy the developers of the next Angry Birds style hit game and give it away with every Android phone and STILL make insane piles of money because they have the kind of information advertisers LOVE, they have users going from Chrome on their desktops to Android smartphones so they can target those ads like a fricking laser at the consumer.

So for Google you simply can't use the kinds of metric that Apple uses because Google isn't really a software OR a hardware company, they are an AD company so all that really matters to them is not how much Bill and Suzy pay for their smartphones, just that those smartphones are Android.


So what. The only point of product competition between Apple and Google are the Nexus line of products and the sales of the Nexus 4 has been very poor. Android is a cost center for Google. The only company actually making profits with Android is Samsung.

And I don't know how it is in your area but ever since Walmart (don't know how big Wally World is there but its fricking HUGE here, like McDonald's when it comes to sheer volume) started carrying Android smartphones at ALL price points with their prepaid plans they have just exploded, I mean everybody is using the things now, you just can't get away from 'em. After trying a friend's Samsung that only cost $75 (the unlimited everything plan is only $50 which is dirt cheap here) I can see why and most likely will switch when my plan expires, we're talking unlimited everything including web, a 1GHz with Skype and Wifi for $75?

so as I said there is a REASON why Apple is always having to find new markets because if they don't they find themselves in a race to the bottom which they don't want any part of. If the rumors are true and the next "big thing" Cook is gonna unveil is gonna be a watch? Yeah i don't think that one will fly off the shelves. But as a retailer I can tell you that when products get "good enough" it quickly becomes price above all and I'd say we are there when it comes to phones and tablets.


I guess this must be why the iPhone has increased market share in the US

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