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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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RE[2]: Reponse
by ezraz on Mon 21st Jan 2013 18:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Reponse"
ezraz
Member since:
2012-06-20

That's exactly what happened in the PC space. Apple stagnated completely - the classic Mac OS was a trainwreck, and even though some are unwilling to admit it, Windows was better. Windows 2000 was leaps and bounds better, and Windows XP just ran circles around classic Mac OS and early Mac OS X.

iOS is in danger of the same fate. I'm really hoping Apple has some cool stuff to come for iOS, because right now, going back to iOS after using Android and Windows Phone feels like going 5 years back in time.



This is revisionist history. The 'stagnant' Apple you speak of owned desktop publishing, graphics, CD Rom development, digital audio editing, was a major player in handheld, handwriting recognition, and object-oriented computing. Macs were priced higher than a Windows 95 machine but still had far more built in features, reliability, and resale value, so the value proposition was strong for Mac or it's mid-90's clones.

At least in the US. I know this is a European site and I notice the difference in markets. I know Apple did not have the success in Europe that it did in the US. I do wish you would remember this, being that Apple is a very american company.

In my opinion, the business of clones, backward engineering, and 3rd party developer relations is what doomed the original mac to small market share. Microsoft's design hurt them (and still does). The company is run by dorks, for dorks, the kind of people who see no difference between a plastic fork and anything else. Apple appeals to a sense of both engineering grace and human touch, sight, hearing, etc. Apple considers people's senses, like a great designer. Very european, actually ;-)

The same playbook has been played by Android, but it's still just the chaos of java/linux trying to compete with the ultra-organized (and now wildly rich) Apple. The App store, the itunes media empire, the jillions of ipods around the world... it was an amazing strategy and it's still crushing competitors in the way. Android exists by being the non-Apple iOS in my opinion. Most people that have android don't even know, it's just "a smartphone". It's like the last people to get a smartphone on the planet get an android for free.

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RE[3]: Reponse
by Shkaba on Mon 21st Jan 2013 19:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
Shkaba Member since:
2006-06-22


This is revisionist history. The 'stagnant' Apple you speak of owned desktop publishing, graphics, CD Rom development, digital audio editing, was a major player in handheld, handwriting recognition, and object-oriented computing.

... Android exists by being the non-Apple iOS in my opinion. Most people that have android don't even know, it's just "a smartphone". It's like the last people to get a smartphone on the planet get an android for free.


I saiz, boy (short for fanboi ;) ), you got it all wrong (to quote famous foghorn leghorn). When you start a post with a statement so out of touch with reality (bolded section) it doesn't surprise to see a such nonsense in the follow up. Android exists because it is free and because of that it is seeing huge acceleration in development and adoption.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by ezraz on Mon 21st Jan 2013 19:13 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
ezraz Member since:
2012-06-20

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This is revisionist history. The 'stagnant' Apple you speak of owned desktop publishing, graphics, CD Rom development, digital audio editing, was a major player in handheld, handwriting recognition, and object-oriented computing.

... Android exists by being the non-Apple iOS in my opinion. Most people that have android don't even know, it's just "a smartphone". It's like the last people to get a smartphone on the planet get an android for free.


I saiz, boy (short for fanboi ;) ), you got it all wrong (to quote famous foghorn leghorn). When you start a post with a statement so out of touch with reality (bolded section) it doesn't surprise to see a such nonsense in the follow up. Android exists because it is free and because of that it is seeing huge acceleration in development and adoption.
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Quark, Adobe, Aldus, Macromedia, Digidesign, Apple Newton OS, OpenDoc..... read up on some of them. These technologies were all Apple (or the Windows version was inferior) for many years, and much money was made. Are you unfamiliar with these markets, or are you telling me that every design and marketing department wasn't loaded with macs in the 80's and 90's -- where you're from? Because I've been seeing that since I started noticing these things back in the 80's.

The idea that Apple became "stale" based on their OS interface only is goofy. They've always pushed UI consistency (even when not fully practicing it themselves).

Dude, calling me a fanboi is pretty ridiculous. A ridiculous term. I was on the internet on an Atari 24 years ago when I was a boy. I was on the web before HTML was finalized. Respect your digital elders son. Nearly everything digital you saw or heard in the 90's was made on a mac.

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RE[4]: Reponse
by zima on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 23:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Reponse"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

(to quote famous foghorn leghorn)

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RE[3]: Reponse
by zima on Fri 25th Jan 2013 23:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Reponse"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

This is revisionist history. The 'stagnant' Apple you speak of owned [list of areas]. the value proposition was strong for Mac or it's mid-90's clones.
At least in the US.

This is revisionist history. It bases the whole analysis on a very atypical and always ~shrinking (relatively to the emergence of others) market.
Oh, and Apple barely survived the 90s.

BTW, there's also more to the world than US and Europe :p

The App store, the itunes media empire, the jillions of ipods around the world... it was an amazing strategy

iOS didn't even allow for 3rd party apps in its first year, there was no strategy to the appstore... iTunes reach is, again, limited geographically.
iPod is, again, a thing of a few atypical markets. And even in them, people don't seem to realise that iPod had a very slow start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg - and 2005 was a time when most of the world was already starting to leapfrog dedicated audio players, going to mobile phones (in 2007 or so I read a report about how ~20% of European mobile subscribers uses their phones for music listening - that 20% alone already means more people than all iPods ever made)

Edited 2013-01-25 23:55 UTC

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