Linked by the_randymon on Mon 21st Jan 2013 19:27 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "The first computers were gigantic, filling rooms and requiring constant care and maintenance. [...] The computer stayed on the desk until the laptop computer, a smaller, more portable, but just as powerful machine, made it nearly obsolete. And then, the iPhone was released, followed shortly after by Android and the Palm WebOS, and the next step in computing was clear. What we did not immediately understand was if mobile computing was an accessory, or a replacement, for the traditional desktop machines." Jon-Buys at Ostatic believes the phone-becomes-computer paradigm is the next step.
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I actually really did LOL
by Tony Swash on Mon 21st Jan 2013 20:17 UTC
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

This breathless account of something that is both obvious and has been happening for six years is just too much. Of course smart phones are computers. That has been clear from when the first iPhone launched and was obvious once the App Store launched and took off. And Ubuntu is definitely not the future of anything ;)

Interestingly when Apple was designing the first iPhone they were going to call it the iPad and market it as a computer that also had a phone function built it. In the end they decided not to, but what's clear is that Apple always saw the iPhone as a computer.

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RE: I actually really did LOL
by shmerl on Mon 21st Jan 2013 20:19 in reply to "I actually really did LOL"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

No, it was clear since PDAs came out. Way before iPhone. The fact that mobile computers were combined with telephony wasn't really a revolutionary breakthrough in technological thought, though it was a breakthrough in consumer market.

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the_randymon Member since:
2005-07-06

No, it was clear since PDAs came out. Way before iPhone. The fact that mobile computers were combined with telephony wasn't really a revolutionary breakthrough in technological thought, though it was a breakthrough in consumer market.


Everyone I know who has an iphone (and these days it seems like every American walking the city streets has an iphone; where's the diversity?) says that the iphone is a pocket computer that happens to have phone capability. Furthermore, most confess as a telephone it's somewhat mediocre. Interesting.

As for the PDA revolution, I remember well the days when we were asking if PDAs would absorb phone features, or if phones would absorb PDA features. It's not really important which of those two scenarios actually happened, since where we wound up is the same.

I'm carrying a small Android phone by Samsung, and while I like it, there are still some things about it that make me miss my old cheapie cellphone (dumb phone). Furthermore, I'm not letting go of my desktop for any smartphone+Cloud Schmaboozle for anything on earth.

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RE: I actually really did LOL
by galvanash on Mon 21st Jan 2013 21:16 in reply to "I actually really did LOL"
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

Of course smart phones are computers.


I'm pretty sure the article is specifically talking about "Personal Computing" as is the modern status quo - desktops with keyboards, mice, and monitors...

You might want to read up on the feature set of Ubuntu Phone before you comment further. Yes, the iPhone is and was certainly a computer, but so was the average PDA that predated it. What it isn't is a functional replacement for you PC - and it has never in the last 6 years tried to be one...

An Ubuntu Phone device IS trying to be a functional PC replacement. Whether it succeeds or not is a different story - but your cavalier response that this is "obvious" neglects to acknowledge that this is the opposite of what Apple is trying to do with iPhones and iPads.

Apple is either trying to replace PCs with something completely different, or they are content with it being a companion device. An Unbuntu Phone is trying to make one device that fulfills both roles, a portable computing device AND a conventional desktop PC.

Well see how it goes. I'm not saying it will work, and it certainly isn't a new idea. But neither was a touch screen portable communication device... Just as with Apple's success, it boils down to timing and execution.

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RE: I actually really did LOL
by WereCatf on Mon 21st Jan 2013 23:09 in reply to "I actually really did LOL"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Interestingly when Apple was designing the first iPhone they were going to call it the iPad and market it as a computer that also had a phone function built it. In the end they decided not to, but what's clear is that Apple always saw the iPhone as a computer.


How does the fact that Steve Jobs wanted the iPhone to be a completely locked-down appliance with no possibility for the end-users to install applications on them at all fit in your description? Doesn't sound at all like what you're portraying.

Edited 2013-01-21 23:24 UTC

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RE[2]: I actually really did LOL
by shmerl on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 00:03 in reply to "RE: I actually really did LOL"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Exactly. Apple explicitly said that they didn't want to frame iPad as a general purpose mobile computer.

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RE: I actually really did LOL
by M.Onty on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 13:30 in reply to "I actually really did LOL"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

This breathless account of something that is both obvious and has been happening for six years is just too much. Of course smart phones are computers. That has been clear from when the first iPhone launched and was obvious once the App Store launched and took off. And Ubuntu is definitely not the future of anything ;)

Interestingly when Apple was designing the first iPhone they were going to call it the iPad and market it as a computer that also had a phone function built it. In the end they decided not to, but what's clear is that Apple always saw the iPhone as a computer.


Quickly, bung a load of references to the brilliance of Apple into the conversation! Phew, that was a close one; we almost managed to have an intelligent debate about a potentially interesting new direction for computing without an unnecessary fruity reference.

For what its worth, I think Canonical could really be on to something here. Shame they're going to be competing with Mozilla for market share though, I'd rather see the two work together.

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