Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 20th Jan 2013 23:42 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Ever since I bought my HTC HD7 way back in October 2010, I have been hooked on Windows Phone. Without even being able to test-drive the new operating system (The Netherlands didn't get Windows Phone 7 until a year later), I imported the HD7 from the US - the minimalist, stark, clean, flat, and textual interface spoke to me, and I just knew I would like it. And like it, I did.
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RE[2]: Comment by Beerfloat
by mkone on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 02:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Beerfloat"
mkone
Member since:
2006-03-14

"Where are the windows in these supposed WIMP interfaces?


"A window runs a self-contained program, isolated from other programs that (if in a multi-program operating system) run at the same time in other windows."

If you full-screen a window on Windows 7, does it magically cease to be a window?
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Non sequitur.

And yes, it does cease to be a window if you cannot click onto another window directly from it. The whole idea of Windows was that you had graphical user elements from your active programs coexisting on your computer monitor, and you use a pointing device (usually a mouse) to activate the application you want to interact with, and you get some context awareness to go with it.

Smartphones (including Android, iOS and WP7/8) are not WIMP because they have neither windows nor pointers. You could even argue they don't have menus in the traditional sense.

You can't retcon WIMP to mean what you want it to mean.

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RE[3]: Comment by Beerfloat
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 10:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Beerfloat"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

And yes, it does cease to be a window if you cannot click onto another window directly from it.


Really?

That's a completely new requirement for the definition of a window that you just came up with there.

Arbitrary bullshit, I'd sday, to make it seem as if the jump from desktop to smartphone/tablet is more significant a paradigm shift than it really is. Kind of like how people claim that using a finger instead of a mouse substantially alters the interface paradigm.

Nice marketing talk, but nonsense when you look at the science and definitions.

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RE[4]: Comment by Beerfloat
by maccouch on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 14:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Beerfloat"
maccouch Member since:
2012-03-14

"And yes, it does cease to be a window if you cannot click onto another window directly from it.


Really?

That's a completely new requirement for the definition of a window that you just came up with there.

Arbitrary bullshit, I'd sday, to make it seem as if the jump from desktop to smartphone/tablet is more significant a paradigm shift than it really is. Kind of like how people claim that using a finger instead of a mouse substantially alters the interface paradigm.

Nice marketing talk, but nonsense when you look at the science and definitions.
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Seriously?! it's right there in the wikipedia article, you yourself linked to!:
"Though the term has fallen into disuse, some use it incorrectly as an approximate synonym for graphical user interface (GUI). Any interface that uses graphics can be called a GUI, and WIMP systems derive from such systems. However, while all WIMP systems use graphics as a key element (the icon and pointer elements), and therefore are GUIs, the reverse is not true. Some GUIs are not based in windows, icons, menus, and pointers. For example, most mobile phones represent actions as icons, and some may have menus, but very few include a pointer or run programs in a window."


yes, if a window is maximized and i don't have any control over it, then it stops to be a WIMP interface and it just becomes a GUI. You see it all the time on electronic kiosks that are set up by companies or the state, to provide access to some sort of information. At that moment, since i can't just go hit the minize button, it becomes a GUI and not a WIMP. WIMP envolves mutiple Windows observable and actionable at the the same time. Why is that so hard for you to understand!? if it's just a GUI fullscreen it's not WIMP. So, apart from the touchwiz hack and the windows8 80/20 split, no present phone OS can be considered WIMP.

[And since when are we using wikipedia articles as definitions?...]

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