Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 01:52 UTC
OpenBSD "Yesterday OpenBSD, the proactively secure Unix-like operating system, released version 3.8, featuring several improvements to networking, RAID management tools, and increased security. At openbsd.org you can download installation files or order the official three-disc CD set, which supports 16 processor architectures out of the box. I took this new release as an opportunity to perform my first ever OpenBSD install." Read more here.
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RE[2]: Inconsistent
by on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 07:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Inconsistent"

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The author has a point. Graphical installation or not, the point is, an installation DOES install and configures stuff for you at the end. But having to setup X manually, it is something that has to be done just that: manually. And this is what the author finds unacceptable in this day and age, and I personally agree with him. Server OS or not, this is 2005 and OpenBSD should go with the times. BSDs, Arch/Slackware and some other old stylers should do too. It is called care for your users.

Get off your high horse...Why in gods name do you need
a GUI for a server? Firewall? Security appliance?

OpenBSD's goals are security and stability.
Bare that in mind the next time you open your mouth
or post something.

They have a choice not to use a GUI, its their project,
not yours. They don't cater for the GUI desktop user.
They cater for those who want security.

Like Arch and Slackware, they follow the traditions
of Unix...Their audience isn't the newbie/lazy like
you. If you want pretty GUIs, then go with Ubuntu,
Suse, etc.

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RE[3]: Inconsistent
by on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 08:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Inconsistent"
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..but Slackware DOES autoconfigure your stuff..whether you're lazy or newbie or not. I made my own OS too, but you're all too stupid to have it!

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RE[3]: Inconsistent
by dagw on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 14:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Inconsistent"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Get off your high horse...Why in gods name do you need
a GUI for a server? Firewall? Security appliance?

OpenBSD's goals are security and stability.
Bare that in mind the next time you open your mouth
or post something.


Let me start by saying that I've used OpenBSD for years and think that, for non X systems, it is one of best installs around.

That being said, I agree with the poster you're replying to. X is included as an option in the base install and thus I feel that they should include options to configure it in the install. If they're not going to configure it, remove it as an install option, and let people who want it add it later through ports.

What I'd like to see would be an option where you get the standar OpenBSD installer if you don't select do install an X server, but if you select to install the X server it will kick into a full X installer which will let you set it up. Including X in the base installer and then not configuring it is not a valid solution in my mind

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RE[4]: Inconsistent
by on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 21:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Inconsistent"
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"What I'd like to see would be an option where you get the standar OpenBSD installer if you don't select do install an X server, but if you select to install the X server it will kick into a full X installer which will let you set it up. Including X in the base installer and then not configuring it is not a valid solution in my mind"

Fit that on a single floppy. ;)

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RE[4]: Inconsistent
by CodeMonkey on Fri 4th Nov 2005 00:06 in reply to "RE[3]: Inconsistent"
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2005-09-22

Not automatically launched upon the selection of X I don't think. First off, I don't think it's necessary for the graphical installer to be there, nor do I think it should be. But, if there were one, the options should be available to use the graphical installer or not, not to just automatically use it.

Many servers have X installed because they host applications that use X, but these are rarely run from a monnitor in front of the server. Heck I connect to servers all the time w/ ssh -X and run remote X based programs. Just because you choose to install X by no means implies you want a "pretty installer with buttons" . That said, I would also not be opposed to a curses-based installer like FreeBSD (yes I know it's on it's way out but I still like it). I personally have no problem with the installer, but I would say that it is not for the faint of heart.

The current setup for the installer gives it incredible universality (is that a word?).

Edited 2005-11-04 00:12

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RE[5]: Inconsistent
by Soulbender on Fri 4th Nov 2005 02:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Inconsistent"
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2005-08-18

"X is included as an option in the base install and thus I feel that they should include options to configure it in the install"

What part of "no configuration needed" is it you dont understand? Xorg runs just fine without any manual configuration at all. The only non-fringe case I can tihnk of is if you use a wheel mouse and then all you need to do is "Xorg -configure".
Hardly any part of the OpenBSD system is configured during installation and since autodetect works fine there's no need to provide X configuration during installation.

"If they're not going to configure it, remove it as an install option, and let people who want it add it later through ports."

Nonsense, it works just fine as it is now.

"What I'd like to see would be an option where you get the standar OpenBSD installer if you don't select do install an X server, but if you select to install the X server it will kick into a full X installer which will let you set it up."

I would hate to see that.

"Including X in the base installer and then not configuring it is not a valid solution in my mind"

Again, it will work without any manual configuration so it's actually already "configured". Complex X customizations has no place in the installer.

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RE[3]: Inconsistent
by on Thu 3rd Nov 2005 19:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Inconsistent"
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You tell 'em! What kind of ignorant pustule would dare slather such ill-informed nonsense on the beloved portal we know as OSNews?

I mean, you would have to really be some kind of infected prostrate or a festering bubo to think that Theo and his clan should write a configuration script for X to hold the hands of the wannabe elite out there, striving to enhance their digital egos by running OpenBSD. The acrimony of it all is unbearable!

Imagine strolling around OSNews like that, with intelligence only slightly less sharp than a fetid lump of fecal horror! Can you imagine it? Can you?

I have to congratulate you on your stalwart ability and efforts to put this rube, this simpleton in his/her place. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

In case you couldn't tell. I was being sarcastic.

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