Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 21:28 UTC, submitted by lemur2
Linux "If you consider NetApplications' data set, then Linux owns only about 1 percent of the desktop OS market and Windows has almost 92 percent. But if you consider all computing platforms, including mobile, than Windows has only 20 percent and Linux has 42 percent - and that would be in the form of Google's Android alone." No more or less legitimate than claiming Windows owns 92% of the market. It's all a matter of perspective.
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RE[3]: Marketshare
by lemur2 on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 23:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Marketshare"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

"So is the 5% marketshare of Windows in mobile an indication of its deficiency in the mobile market?


Yes, absolutely. Despite the merits of each OS, Windows on mobile sucks ass for the same reason that Linux on the desktop does... there are much better apps/games (and a wider variety of them too) on other platforms.
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This is a myth. The selection of commonly-used desktop applications (mail client, web browser, file manager & utilities, office suite, say photo management & editing, etc) for Linux, along with the lack of malware and crapware and the need for anti-virus, make desktop Linux a far better choice for most people, since most people by far are not gamers.

Ubuntu Linux alone comes pre-installed on five percent of PCs globally now:

http://www.zdnet.com/shuttleworth-talks-up-ubuntu-12-10-growing-acc...

It is an utter myth that desktop Linux is deficient, except for the fact that most people are not offered a convenient and cost-proportionate way to purchase it pre-installed on decent hardware. That alone is the reason why it lacks more market share than it has (which is significantly more than 1% BTW).

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RE[4]: Marketshare
by Nelson on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 23:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Marketshare"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


It is an utter myth that desktop Linux is deficient, except for the fact that most people are not offered a convenient and cost-proportionate way to purchase it pre-installed on decent hardware. That alone is the reason why it lacks more market share than it has (which is significantly more than 1% BTW).


I agree. While Linux has rough spots, they're no more rough than the roughest spots on Windows. That alone isn't impeding it. The desktop market has forces beyond the control of the various Linux initiatives similarly to how a lot of Windows Phone's marketshare woes are attributable to market conditions that outweigh the merits of the product.

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RE[4]: Marketshare
by WorknMan on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 23:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Marketshare"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

This is a myth. The selection of commonly-used desktop applications (mail client, web browser, file manager & utilities, office suite, say photo management & editing, etc) for Linux, along with the lack of malware and crapware and the need for anti-virus, make desktop Linux a far better choice for most people, since most people by far are not gamers.


I didn't say Linux didn't have any commonly-used desktop apps. I said there are BETTER ones and a WIDER VARIETY of them on other platforms.

it is an utter myth that desktop Linux is deficient, except for the fact that most people are not offered a convenient and cost-proportionate way to purchase it pre-installed on decent hardware.


And if they were, you could kiss that 'no crapware' sales pitch goodbye. Need proof? Just look at all the vile shit that is done to Android. If you want a decent Android phone without somebody putting crapware all over it, you basically have one model a year to choose from, and even that one is nearly impossible to get at the moment. Oh, I have that phone btw, and it is awesome ;)

Edited 2013-01-22 23:26 UTC

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RE[5]: Marketshare
by lemur2 on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 00:46 in reply to "RE[4]: Marketshare"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"This is a myth. The selection of commonly-used desktop applications (mail client, web browser, file manager & utilities, office suite, say photo management & editing, etc) for Linux, along with the lack of malware and crapware and the need for anti-virus, make desktop Linux a far better choice for most people, since most people by far are not gamers.


I didn't say Linux didn't have any commonly-used desktop apps. I said there are BETTER ones and a WIDER VARIETY of them on other platforms.
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There are indeed a wider variety of desktop applications on other platforms, but they are not any better.

"it is an utter myth that desktop Linux is deficient, except for the fact that most people are not offered a convenient and cost-proportionate way to purchase it pre-installed on decent hardware.


And if they were, you could kiss that 'no crapware' sales pitch goodbye. Need proof? Just look at all the vile shit that is done to Android. If you want a decent Android phone without somebody putting crapware all over it, you basically have one model a year to choose from, and even that one is nearly impossible to get at the moment. Oh, I have that phone btw, and it is awesome ;)
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Actually, as it happens, I am typing this message on a consumer laptop machine that came pre-installed with Ubuntu and no crapware. I purchased it via a customisation page similar to the one linked below, by selecting "Ubuntu" and failing to select any version of Windows.

http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=3&c2=1...

Installing "crapware" is normally a way that OEMs use to offset the cost of Microsoft software they install on machines. If the OEM does not have to pay for Microsoft software, there is no need to offset such costs, and they can deliver a desktop/laptop machine with no crapware and the consumer can still save $AUD109 for the desktop & OS software alone compared with the exact same machine pre-installed with Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium or Microsoft Windows 8. An additional $AUD235 can be saved by not using Microsoft Office 2010 Home and Business Edition as the office suite. This is a significant saving, considering that the hardware itself is $AUD599.

... and it will have BETTER desktop software, and be far easier to maintain and keep running well, as a bonus.

The only real problem is that consumers are forced to shop online & really hunt around to find a great desktop Linux deal such as this, it is not commonly available in bricks & mortar stores.

Here is a glimpse of the desktop & OS software I am running right now, as I type this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-JOo-tF_Y

"It is a delight to use KDE right now".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNQWVJPLjig

"Kubuntu 12.10 - Fun and Flashy Linux" - "I really like what I see".

Edited 2013-01-23 01:03 UTC

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RE[4]: Marketshare
by Lennie on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 11:50 in reply to "RE[3]: Marketshare"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I've actually seen the video where Shuttleworth mentions this.

This article says:

"He claimed Linux comes pre-installed on five percent of PCs globally now."

But I think he said: "will come pre-installed on five percent of the global PC-market".

This suggests to me, it hasn't happend yet.

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RE[4]: Marketshare
by henderson101 on Wed 23rd Jan 2013 17:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Marketshare"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

This is a myth. The selection of commonly-used desktop applications (mail client, web browser, file manager & utilities, office suite, say photo management & editing, etc) for Linux, along with the lack of malware and crapware and the need for anti-virus, make desktop Linux a far better choice for most people, since most people by far are not gamers


Really? I don't think so. Any serious musician will come up with little on LINUX that can rival Reaper, and that is probably the lowest tier DAW software. There are no half decent video editors - not with the features in apps like Avid and iMovie... both of which do a better job on iOS than a full blown LINUX distro. Where is the port of Photoshop these days? And Illustrator? GIMP is a plaything and Inkscape was still very lacking last time I looked. Where are the specialised drawing tools, such a Manga Studio (which I use on both Mac and Windows regularly)? If you only word process/uses spreadsheets, edit a few basic digital photos and make extremely simple movies I might agree. But no.

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