Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Jan 2013 14:20 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Buried deep within Nokia's press release about its financial results, there's a line that pretty much signals the end of one of the most popular and successful mobile operating systems in history. With Nokia retiring its use, Symbian is no more.
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silviucc
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2009-12-05

I have not counted the number of applications for Windows Phone, nor do I intend to but I really did not hear about an "omg, you must have this program on your phone dude!" kind of application for it. Is there one?

The whole point of having Metro shoved into our desktops was for developers to make stuff that would almost "automagically" work on the Windows Phone devices. So far, nothing notable happened.

What was the net benefit to Nokia for killing Symbian, selling Qt? Some quick money for the latter and constant cash from MS for sticking to WP. What will they do when that stops? Short of a miracle, Windows Phone will go the way of the Zune.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I have not counted the number of applications for Windows Phone, nor do I intend to but I really did not hear about an "omg, you must have this program on your phone dude!" kind of application for it. Is there one?


That'd ultimately be up to you if you find value in the Windows Phone Store. There are some gems in there by some very bright developers.

Rowi is pretty much my favorite Twitter client across every platform.

There's Fhotoroom which is a nice social network for uploading images, and since WP8 its gained an impressive amount of users.

There's a wealth of lockscreen apps to put stuff you care about on your lockscreen. So a Weather app for example could take up the entire lock screen displaying a high resolution image. Another example being cycling my Facebook Friends on my Lock screen. Its a nifty feature.

Metro Tube is excellent too, again, likely my favorite YouTube experience across any platform.

These are a few of my favorites, but its largely up to you what you find relevant.


The whole point of having Metro shoved into our desktops was for developers to make stuff that would almost "automagically" work on the Windows Phone devices. So far, nothing notable happened.


Well, aside from Microsoft's built-in apps which work seamlessly across WP8 and W8, Rowi has WP8/W8 versions. So does Fhotoroom. USA Today carried their visual identity over, and the new Windows 8 CNN app is made by the same company that was contracted for the CNN Windows Phone app.

A lot of the Xbox Live games are also similar across both platforms. Some are coming soon to WP8, some coming soon to W8.

I also have my own apps running on both platforms with minimal changes.

So, look. Windows 8 has been out for 91 days. The platform is extremely young. As a developer, I can tell you that it isn't difficult at all to maintain a unified code base for both platforms.


What was the net benefit to Nokia for killing Symbian, selling Qt? Some quick money for the latter and constant cash from MS for sticking to WP. What will they do when that stops? Short of a miracle, Windows Phone will go the way of the Zune.


I don't think you recognize exactly what is happening. People have been saying that Nokia and/or Windows Phone are dying for a year now.

Anyone who has dared dispute that ludicrous claim was voted down into oblivion. I was voted down when I said that Nokia's last quarter (where they reached non-IFRS profitability) was more than an anomaly, and that Nokia was in fact NOT dead in the water.

I think people need to come to grips with the fact that Windows Phone is growing, and will is in fact the third ecosystem. It is well on its way to 200,000 apps, has quadrupled sales Year over Year, and for the first time in a while, Nokia did not have such devastating financials.

Nokia's ASP on their smart devices grew on the strength of the Lumia 920, which highlights a benefit of switching from Symbian. Nokia makes more money per handset off of Windows Phone. They get marketing support for Windows Phone, and carriers are more inclined to support a modern OS platform and throw their weight behind it (Verizon planning to make a 920 variant a Flagship device, 920 already being flagship on ATT)

Nokia has made a 180 in their financials from a year ago. The free fall now has a bottom. Now that Stephen Elop has effectively downsized the company to be nimble enough to keep up with the pace of innovation, it is very hard to imagine a world where Nokia suddenly goes under, or Windows Phone is suddenly doomed.

I don't know what kind of growth people expect from Windows Phone. Is triple digit growth YoY not enough? Does it have to become Android over night? I'm really interested in knowing what it is exactly that people expect, because I'm unsure they have expectations grounded in reality.

I'm confident that Stephen Elop will be fully vindicated when the smoke clears. It is not easy to steer a ship of that size in the right direction, but he's gotten them out of the way of most icebergs so far.

I don't get the wishful thinking that Nokia would just die. I wish some commenters would experience getting laid off before they started wishing for the death of another company because they personally dislike a product.

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przemo_li Member since:
2010-06-01

Go check data first.

Nokia grew (in smartphones) 10% in the last 6 months.

(Smartphone) Industry in same 6 months? 57%.

2y ago Nokia had 29% of SMARTPHONE market.

Now ? 3%

Its fastest demise for any company from Top500 list.

And before you are happy with "profitability"

Avrg. loss made per (Smartphone) handset is around 22%...

Nokia LOSE 1/5 of the price of each Smartphone it sell.
And they do not have stockpile of HQ's for sale.

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