Linked by the_randymon on Fri 25th Jan 2013 09:21 UTC
Linux After about a year of work, the ArchLinux distribution now offers a variant running on the FreeBSD kernel. Says the developer, "Why would I do this? If like me, you enjoy FreeBSD and love it, but also like the philosophy behind Arch Linux, which is a fast, lightweight, optimized distro, I figured why not combine the both. Even though you could just do it on FreeBSD using the ports, not everyone wants to compile." This now puts Arch in the same category as Debian with Debian GNU/KFreeBSD, which offers a Debian userland on top of a FreeBSD kernel.
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RE[3]: Comment by Soulbender
by Laurence on Sun 27th Jan 2013 11:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Soulbender"
Laurence
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2007-03-26

I run FreeBSD and ArchLinux on a number of systems and have done for a decade now. So I'm aware of the selling point of each OS. ;)

That said, I really don't agree with most of what you've posted (not saying you're outright wrong, I just see things from a different perspective):


The selling point of Linux over other free UNIX clones is that it supports just about any hardware you throw at it. The selling point of Arch over other Linux distributions is that it is the most *BSD like of them all. Using the FreeBSD kernel removes the Linux hardware support, but doesn't add anything new that FreeBSD doesn't do.


FreeBSD has good enough hardware support for the stuff that matters (eg networking controllers). Plus many of the UNIX's support features which Linux does not / or is not stable (not least of all, ZFS).

However, despite this, the appeal of Linux is usually more software support (which is a self-fulfilling prophecy as more people then write non-portable software for Linux).

You then also get users who learn Linux but refuse to learn other POSIX systems because it's "not quite Linux". ie Linux is what they know and what they're comfortable with.

We have already have a binary package system in place, and it's not like pacman offers anything significant like delta binary updates.

As for the wide amount of software available for Linux, I fail to see how ArchBSD will rectify this.

I'd already addressed that: AUR


Developers code for what they know, and that is Linux. We've been complaining about the "Linux-ism" of free software since Gnome 1.x. Linux dependencies like HAL and PulseAudio or Wayland or don't get added and then deprecated overnight.

Again, AUR.

If enough of the underlying Linux userland is ported, then hopefully we could see some of the Linux-dependant software ported over.

This is a big 'if' though. Equally there's a chance that there'd be less software available as it needs ported to support such a specific platform. And if that's the case then this is more of a "just because I can" exercise rather than one seeking any practical applications.

In either case, I think it's a little unfair just to dismiss it outright.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Even with the AUR you still got the problem that a lot of software has a lot of Linuxisms.

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RE[5]: Comment by Soulbender
by Laurence on Sun 27th Jan 2013 13:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Soulbender"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Even with the AUR you still got the problem that a lot of software has a lot of Linuxisms.

And once again, I'd already addressed that.

Edited 2013-01-27 13:56 UTC

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