Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Jan 2013 00:38 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Marco Arment: "Everyone should play by the same rules. A proposal: storage capacities referenced or implied in the names or advertisements for personal computers, tablets, and smartphones should not exceed the amount of space available for end-user installation of third-party applications and data, after enough software has been installed to enable all commonly advertised functionality. With today's OSes, iPads could advertise capacities no larger than 12, 28, 60, and 124 GB and the Surface Pros could be named 23 and 83 GB." Wholly agreed. When I buy a box of 100 staples, I expect it to contain ~100 staples - not 50 because the other 50 are holding the box together.
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RE[3]: Crazy
by HappyGod on Wed 30th Jan 2013 05:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Crazy"
HappyGod
Member since:
2005-10-19

It's a PERFECT comparison... unless you're suggesting I don't own the OS or apps or data on my own harddrive. ;)

My comparison is the items you NEED for proper usage of something take space from the whole, whether it be apps on a computer, or the washing machine in my house.

I can replace the OS on a computer/tablet, or use fewer apps if I want more space, much like I can get rid of the sofa or get a smaller chest if I want more room in my house.


No it isn't. The advertised space of the house you buy is used almost exclusively for storing furniture YOU WANT. You can choose whether or not to install furniture, you might instead choose to fill your house entirely with jelly beans.

If you want to persist with the (wrong) analogy of a house. It would be the same as if you bought a 100sqm house, only to find that the sewerage pipes protrude from the wall and took up 30sqm, leaving only 70sqm available for furniture.

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RE[4]: Crazy
by abstraction on Wed 30th Jan 2013 06:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy"
abstraction Member since:
2008-11-27

No you are wrong. Petruding pipes would be some sort of hardware limitation. The furniture you don't want belongs to your girlfriend. Either you accept the situation or you get rid of her so you can replace her stuff with free and open furniture.

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RE[4]: Crazy
by JLF65 on Wed 30th Jan 2013 18:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

Furniture is most often NECESSARY, not wanted. For example, I don't WANT a washer or dryer... they are NECESSARY unless I wish to spend more money and time at a laundromat. I don't want a big dresser, but it's necessary for holding my clothes. I don't want a big OS, but depending on the device, I need it to do the work I need on the device.

I don't see why a couple of you can't see that this analogy is near perfect. Guess you don't do your own laundry, put your clothes away when they're clean, cook your own food, etc. When you move to your own place and start doing all this yourself, you'll finally understand what I'm talking about. ;) ;)

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RE[5]: Crazy
by umccullough on Wed 30th Jan 2013 18:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I don't see why a couple of you can't see that this analogy is near perfect. Guess you don't do your own laundry, put your clothes away when they're clean, cook your own food, etc. When you move to your own place and start doing all this yourself, you'll finally understand what I'm talking about. ;) ;)


In the case of Windows Surface tablets - you don't even get a choice. You're stuck with what they supply on the tablet. Same with iOS devices, android tablets, and most smartphones.

That's the difference. These aren't generic storage devices that you can fill up however you need/want - these are devices which come preloaded with crap you can't get rid of, even if you don't need/want it.

This is why there needs to be a distinction between storage space and available storage space for such devices.

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RE[5]: Crazy
by ssokolow on Thu 31st Jan 2013 03:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy"
ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Furniture is most often NECESSARY, not wanted. For example, I don't WANT a washer or dryer... they are NECESSARY unless I wish to spend more money and time at a laundromat. I don't want a big dresser, but it's necessary for holding my clothes. I don't want a big OS, but depending on the device, I need it to do the work I need on the device.


Devil's advocate: My family uses a clothesline to save money. We don't even have a dryer.

I still think it's a bad analogy.

Edited 2013-01-31 03:49 UTC

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RE[5]: Crazy
by kwan_e on Thu 31st Jan 2013 06:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I don't see why a couple of you can't see that this analogy is near perfect.


The analogy is completely wrong, because no one is complaining about the free space AFTER they put their stuff on the device. They are complaining about the space BEFORE they put their own stuff on the device.

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