Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Jan 2013 23:06 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless And so, today, RIM announced its Hail Mary - a brand new mobile operating system (well, sort-of new), as well as two new devices. In addition, the Canadian company also officially changed its name from Research In Motion to Blackberry. The first few reviews of Blackberry 10 are already out, and it's not bad. The problem, however, is that in the case of Blackberry, 'not bad' could easily mean 'not good enough'.
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RE[4]: My thoughts
by Nelson on Thu 31st Jan 2013 17:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: My thoughts"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


You never used Windows or? :-)

Serious, from WinAmp over Java Swing to iTunes. From classic Win95, over Ribbon to Metro. Its all there.


And this is exactly the situation that BlackBerry should seek to avoid. A situation that's being actively remedied with Windows 8/Windows RT.

I think most people (except you, of course) recognize that user experience is a real thing, and as such, requires real investment.

Since when was mediocrity sufficient?


What I hear is that for example playing Jetpack Joyride is fine. A game in the appWorld using the Android runtime. That game is btw still missing in the WP market place despite multiple past announcements and years passed.


I sure hope it runs fine, it would be great if it does. I think you're confused, I'm not trying to dig at BlackBerry, but at this entire idea in general.

If games are able to perform acceptably, then fine. I'm just interested in what pain this eases, given that a majority of games are written in platform agnotic C++ with middleware that abstracts away a lot of the details.

Jetpack Joyride is on Windows 8, and I imagine that tuning a game for the delicate constraint of a mobile phone is warranting more investment. That's my guess, again, I'm not a developer on their team, but this seems like a Red herring.


HTML5 is rather new. Chromebook, FirefoxOS, Tizen, WebOS and now Blackberry 10 joins that. Where is the problem?


So, you can't provide one? Gotcha. This obsession (because that's what it is) with using a sub-par, terribly performing, primitively tooled, and incomplete platform as a world class application framework is a little sickening to me. The thing is half backed. It takes an extraordinary amount of effort to get anything running well, and it doesn't really pay off.

About 5% of Windows Store apps are actually HTML5 based, another 5% C++, and 80% C#.


Give it some time to improve future. Meanwhile its already useful enough. SailfishOS and Ubuntu Phone plan something similar as far as I remember.

Wouldn't wonder if Microsoft does that too. There Phone app story certainly failed and they really need to do something to address the shortcomings. Compatibility would be a good starter.


Time is something BlackBerry has precious little of, especially when the resources would be better put elsewhere. They bought themselves time with BB10, but not unlimited time. They're not Microsoft.

I think Microsoft has shown the right way to do HTML5 already with WinJS which outperforms any HTML stack on any platform (Install timed JITd JavaScript, H/W accelerated rendering, JS promises, integration into WinRT, etc.)

It should be coming to Windows Phone in due time.


Yeah, we known by now you think only WP has the real alive app store. *roll eyes*


Well, to burn your little strawman down, I think the iOS App Store has much more quality in it than the Android App Store.

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RE[5]: My thoughts
by cdude on Thu 31st Jan 2013 18:18 in reply to "RE[4]: My thoughts"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

And this is exactly the situation that BlackBerry should seek to avoid.


And yet you seem to like the WP7 Silverlight alien (and EOLed stack) in WP8 app market idea since by far most of the Windows Phone app market apps are WP7 apps.

A situation that's being actively remedied with Windows 8/Windows RT.


Its actually even more worse in Win8 where you have all that old stuff and the metro stuff.

Win8 has TWO desktops, not one. The classic one and Metro. Both not connect, from the ground up different, in look, feel, handling, concepts, design and any aspect you can think of.

If there is a name for inconsistency and failed user experience its Windows 8.


Jetpack Joyride is on Windows 8


And crashes for half its users on startup :-)

http://win8review.com/apps/reviews/Jetpack-Joyride-Halfbrick-Studio...

Do I need to add that I am not aware of such problems with the Android version running on Blackberry?

Looks as your stable argument works against you in this case.

About 5% of Windows Store apps are actually HTML5 based, another 5% C++, and 80% C#.


Yes, a typical Ballmer. Whenever he pushes something, like HTML5 in WP7 http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/microsoft/282461-ballmer-pushes-ht... - it fails :-)


Time is something BlackBerry has precious little of


They make profit ever since unlike Nokia, the last remaining WP reseller. If they are gone Microsoft is on its own and it doesn't look as they are going to make it (see Surface RT failure and the now halfed Surface Pro production).

Everybody touching Microsoft products, from Phone to Tablet to Desktop, is in problems currently. Compare that to Android, Apple and now Chromebook.

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RE[6]: My thoughts
by Nelson on Fri 1st Feb 2013 05:32 in reply to "RE[5]: My thoughts"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

And yet you seem to like the WP7 Silverlight alien (and EOLed stack) in WP8 app market idea since by far most of the Windows Phone app market apps are WP7 apps.


The WP7 stack on WP8 is just the WP8 stack running in quirks mode. You'd know this if you weren't speaking out of your ass.

They are no different from a UX POV and in fact indistinguishable if you have a 768p screen which can do direct 1.5x scaling.


Its actually even more worse in Win8 where you have all that old stuff and the metro stuff.

Win8 has TWO desktops, not one. The classic one and Metro. Both not connect, from the ground up different, in look, feel, handling, concepts, design and any aspect you can think of.

If there is a name for inconsistency and failed user experience its Windows 8.


It is a work in progress, but all apps moving forward are Windows Store apps. Windows RT is exclusively Windows Store apps.

The difference being that Microsoft doesn't actively facilitate the careless porting of an app runtime to Windows 8.


And crashes for half its users on startup :-)

http://win8review.com/apps/reviews/Jetpack-Joyride-Halfbrick-Studio...


Uh, you do know that Jetpack Joyride has 56 PAGES of reviews. It certainly does not crash for half of the users.

As a Windows Store dev I can tell you that a lot of crashes are erratic and have to do with faulty GPU or other hardware combinations. You can usually tell this is the case when you're given a nonsensical stack trace in the crash report.

If you look at my own apps there are a percentage of users with crash rates. When I look into the statistics a great deal of them are running Desktops (presumably old Win7 desktops upgraded to Win8).


Do I need to add that I am not aware of such problems with the Android version running on Blackberry?

Looks as your stable argument works against you in this case.


BB10 was literally announced yesterday man. There have not been an influx of users to be able to draw that conclusion. You're not making sense.


Yes, a typical Ballmer. Whenever he pushes something, like HTML5 in WP7 http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/microsoft/282461-ballmer-pushes-ht... - it fails :-)


Again, you make no sense. It is a modern marvel how your confused little mind works.


They make profit ever since unlike Nokia, the last remaining WP reseller. If they are gone Microsoft is on its own and it doesn't look as they are going to make it (see Surface RT failure and the now halfed Surface Pro production).

Everybody touching Microsoft products, from Phone to Tablet to Desktop, is in problems currently. Compare that to Android, Apple and now Chromebook.


Nokia isn't the last remaining OEM. Again, do you just make shit up?

Surface is a device with limited distribution, in limited markets, with a limited marketing push. Its a science project. A tip toe in the hardware manufacturing water.

While I'd love to see more Surface investment, it is a balancing act with OEMs.

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