Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Jan 2013 23:06 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless And so, today, RIM announced its Hail Mary - a brand new mobile operating system (well, sort-of new), as well as two new devices. In addition, the Canadian company also officially changed its name from Research In Motion to Blackberry. The first few reviews of Blackberry 10 are already out, and it's not bad. The problem, however, is that in the case of Blackberry, 'not bad' could easily mean 'not good enough'.
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RE[6]: My thoughts
by Nelson on Fri 1st Feb 2013 05:32 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: My thoughts"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

And yet you seem to like the WP7 Silverlight alien (and EOLed stack) in WP8 app market idea since by far most of the Windows Phone app market apps are WP7 apps.


The WP7 stack on WP8 is just the WP8 stack running in quirks mode. You'd know this if you weren't speaking out of your ass.

They are no different from a UX POV and in fact indistinguishable if you have a 768p screen which can do direct 1.5x scaling.


Its actually even more worse in Win8 where you have all that old stuff and the metro stuff.

Win8 has TWO desktops, not one. The classic one and Metro. Both not connect, from the ground up different, in look, feel, handling, concepts, design and any aspect you can think of.

If there is a name for inconsistency and failed user experience its Windows 8.


It is a work in progress, but all apps moving forward are Windows Store apps. Windows RT is exclusively Windows Store apps.

The difference being that Microsoft doesn't actively facilitate the careless porting of an app runtime to Windows 8.


And crashes for half its users on startup :-)

http://win8review.com/apps/reviews/Jetpack-Joyride-Halfbrick-Studio...


Uh, you do know that Jetpack Joyride has 56 PAGES of reviews. It certainly does not crash for half of the users.

As a Windows Store dev I can tell you that a lot of crashes are erratic and have to do with faulty GPU or other hardware combinations. You can usually tell this is the case when you're given a nonsensical stack trace in the crash report.

If you look at my own apps there are a percentage of users with crash rates. When I look into the statistics a great deal of them are running Desktops (presumably old Win7 desktops upgraded to Win8).


Do I need to add that I am not aware of such problems with the Android version running on Blackberry?

Looks as your stable argument works against you in this case.


BB10 was literally announced yesterday man. There have not been an influx of users to be able to draw that conclusion. You're not making sense.


Yes, a typical Ballmer. Whenever he pushes something, like HTML5 in WP7 http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/microsoft/282461-ballmer-pushes-ht... - it fails :-)


Again, you make no sense. It is a modern marvel how your confused little mind works.


They make profit ever since unlike Nokia, the last remaining WP reseller. If they are gone Microsoft is on its own and it doesn't look as they are going to make it (see Surface RT failure and the now halfed Surface Pro production).

Everybody touching Microsoft products, from Phone to Tablet to Desktop, is in problems currently. Compare that to Android, Apple and now Chromebook.


Nokia isn't the last remaining OEM. Again, do you just make shit up?

Surface is a device with limited distribution, in limited markets, with a limited marketing push. Its a science project. A tip toe in the hardware manufacturing water.

While I'd love to see more Surface investment, it is a balancing act with OEMs.

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RE[7]: My thoughts
by cdude on Fri 1st Feb 2013 13:09 in reply to "RE[6]: My thoughts"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

The WP7 stack on WP8 is just the WP8 stack running in quirks mode.


WP7 is silverlight which is an incompatible subset of C# on Win8. Silverlight is dead now but got ported and integrated into WP8 to keep WP7 apps running.

It is a work in progress


Yes, rather visible.


The difference being that Microsoft doesn't actively facilitate the careless porting of an app runtime to Windows 8.


Win32 is still core of Win8 and going to stay beyond. The same cannot be sayed about Metro yet. WP7 Silverlight aborted and according to Microsoft Win9 Blue will be incompatible to Metro means not run Win8 apps.

It certainly does not crash for half of the users.


Then only 45%. Who cares? Look at the reviews its near every second review reporting the same crash on startup. Up to today. And we only looked at one app, at one of the most demanded games. This I name a bad user experience.

As a Windows Store dev I can tell you that a lot of crashes are erratic and have to do with faulty GPU or other hardware combinations.


Yeah, blame Nokia Lumia hardware. Whatever. Does it matter why it crashes? It crashes ON STARTUP already!




BB10 was literally announced yesterday man. There have not been an influx of users to be able to draw that conclusion. You're not making sense.


All dev alpha devices already got the BB10 update OTA and have access to the app world. In UK BB10 devices are already sold. No crash report so far.

Anyhow, its nit representative with one game only but its a nice example to punk your argument :-)


Nokia isn't the last remaining OEM.


HTC went all-in with Android doing WP on sideline as long as Microsoft pays them. Same for Samsung. How much WP did they sold? More then 100.000 both combined?


Surface is a device with limited


... customers, sells, demand, satisfaction. Lesser then 1 million sold disappointing even Microsofts own limited expectations by more then half.


Its a science project.


Or how Ballmer named it: The future (of Microsoft).


While I'd love to see more Surface investment, it is a balancing act with OEMs.


What OEM's? They all ditched RT and WP already. Granted except Nokia who plans to bring a RT tablet to market now where its clear RT failed. LOL, gotta love that Elop mate who jumps on every failed opportunity thrown at him.

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RE[8]: My thoughts
by Nelson on Fri 1st Feb 2013 16:46 in reply to "RE[7]: My thoughts"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


WP7 is silverlight which is an incompatible subset of C# on Win8. Silverlight is dead now but got ported and integrated into WP8 to keep WP7 apps running.


This is what's infuriating about you, you speak about "incompatible subset" but have never done the work porting an app from WP7 to Window 8. Window 8 is closer to Silverlight than any other XAML stack.

Porting a WP7 app to Window 8 is a retention of like 80-85% of your code, especially the back end code is almost a 100% port job.

I've ported WP7 apps to Windows 8 in a day, with the rest of the week spent on properly integrating with the platform (Charms, Sensors, etc.)

I don't think you get to decide what's incompatible and what is not.



Win32 is still core of Win8 and going to stay beyond. The same cannot be sayed about Metro yet. WP7 Silverlight aborted and according to Microsoft Win9 Blue will be incompatible to Metro means not run Win8 apps.


Did you just throw as many buzzwords into that paragraph as you could? It did not make sense. I don't understand how you quote what I say and then respond with something completely irrelevant and incoherent.


Then only 45%. Who cares? Look at the reviews its near every second review reporting the same crash on startup. Up to today. And we only looked at one app, at one of the most demanded games. This I name a bad user experience.


So you replace one inaccurate statistic with another one? Hint: You're still wrong.

You'd almost be right if everyone that downloaded the app left a review. I have 150,000 downloads on one of my app with only 104 reviews. On top of that, your 45% claim is provably false. There are 54 pages of reviews, I went through a couple of them, your narrative doesn't hold true.



Yeah, blame Nokia Lumia hardware. Whatever. Does it matter why it crashes? It crashes ON STARTUP already!


Do you not read? I'm not talking about Windows Phone. I'm starting to seriously believe you have some clinical comprehension disorder, otherwise known as chronic stupidity.

It is beyond the pale that you have the gall to not only reply to my posts, but that you're terribly wrong in the process. You're grasping at straws.


All dev alpha devices already got the BB10 update OTA and have access to the app world. In UK BB10 devices are already sold. No crash report so far.

Anyhow, its nit representative with one game only but its a nice example to punk your argument :-)


So? That's a paragraph of useless information. Do you know how many downloads it has had? No? Okay.


HTC went all-in with Android doing WP on sideline as long as Microsoft pays them. Same for Samsung. How much WP did they sold? More then 100.000 both combined?


HTC went all in with Android and almost DIED as a company. I'm sure you know how to read a financial report. They are not making any kind of serious money on Android.

HTC has gone all-in on Windows Phone with their new lines of Windows Phone. Nokia is all-in. Samsung just signed a deal with Microsoft pushing WP8 to the enterprise.


... customers, sells, demand, satisfaction. Lesser then 1 million sold disappointing even Microsofts own limited expectations by more then half.


I'm sure you can cite official sales figures of the Surface, and not the 20 (different, by the way) analyst GUESSES at what the Surface sold.


Or how Ballmer named it: The future (of Microsoft).


Maybe one day. Not right now. In the meantime Microsoft still has OEMs to contend with.


What OEM's? They all ditched RT and WP already. Granted except Nokia who plans to bring a RT tablet to market now where its clear RT failed. LOL, gotta love that Elop mate who jumps on every failed opportunity thrown at him.


Windows RT is licensed by Samsung, ASUS, Dell, Lenovo, and the Surface themselves.

Windows 8 is licensed by ... well everyone, lol. You see how silly your argument is?

Window Phone is licensed by Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Huawei, ZTE, Fujitsu, Acer, and Alcatel.

You're wrong.

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RE[7]: My thoughts
by phoenix on Sat 2nd Feb 2013 03:14 in reply to "RE[6]: My thoughts"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11


It is a work in progress, but all apps moving forward are Windows Store apps. Windows RT is exclusively Windows Store apps.


Except for Office, which is a desktop app, and available for Windows RT. In fact, every single Surface RT has it installed by default.

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