Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 11:23 UTC
Windows And there we are - the Surface Pro reviews are in. Reading through them all, there's clearly a common theme, and it's not particularly positive. We're a few months in now, so I think we can finally call it: Windows 8 and Surface are the wrong way to go.
Thread beginning with comment 551609
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
chekr
Member since:
2005-11-05

OK so when Microsoft allow us to run "legacy" window applications outside of Metro, we complain that the interface is not touch friendly.

On RT where they restrict our ability to install "legacy" apps we complain that they are restricting us.

Do you see the problem here.

The problem is that tech journalists need to create drama so that people read their articles. Negativity and hyperbole gets clicks, clicks = money.

Reply Score: -2

kragil Member since:
2006-01-04

BS. Any site that only writes drama and hyperbole will loose clicks very quickly.

I totally agree with Thom, Surface and Windows 8 are full of fail.

In germany you can get a Zenbook + Nexus 7 for less this the Surface. Those two give you a much better experience.

Reply Parent Score: 11

chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

"Any site that only writes drama and hyperbole will loose [sic] clicks very quickly."

Clearly you are not familiar with journalism

Reply Parent Score: 7

bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

I am a firm believer in logic and understanding: If you look and can truly understand a thing then you can see where it will do good and where it will not so lets try that right now:

What IS Windows, what causes people to buy this product over other products? This is quite simple it is OLD SOFTWARE that drives sales of Windows, everyone from businesses to your grandma has some Windows software they want to run and THAT is why they buy Windows. They don't buy it for the brand, they don't buy it to only run the software it comes with like a lot of cellphones end up doing, they buy Windows because they have software they need to run and Windows has (more or less) been backwards compatible for eons.

When you look and understand this its obvious why Win 8 and Surface will fail, all that software wasn't written for touch or a hybrid UI and frankly doesn't run well AT ALL in such an environment. I'm sure everyone saw the little cartoon I posted by a tech writer who tried win 8 and couldn't find how to do basic tasks like "How to make a recovery disc" and actually had to use a Win 7 PC to Google how to do things with his Win 8 PC, this is because there is almost NO context or clues given to the user, you are supposed to "know" the commands and terms which most just won't. Hell I even had this problem, the "charms bar" WTF? Its a sidebar, looks like a sidebar, is in the place both Vista and Win 7 put the sidebar/gadgets by default, so how am I supposed to know ctrl+C brings this up?

At the end of the day it can do nothing but fail as it ignores the entire purpose of Windows, which is to get out of your way and let you run your third party software. Hell look at how many are perfectly happy with XP, they don't care that its dated it gets out of their way and lets them run the software they care about so its just fine to them. Until MSFT stops aping Apple and takes a page from IBM and sells services and support for what is a mature product instead of trying to become "hip and cool" then all we'll see is fail fail fail.

Reply Parent Score: 2

ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

OK so when Microsoft allow us to run "legacy" window applications outside of Metro, we complain that the interface is not touch friendly.

On RT where they restrict our ability to install "legacy" apps we complain that they are restricting us.

Do you see the problem here.


Yes, I do see the problem: you either have an actual desktop or you don't (half assed compromise solutions don't cut it) and you should be consistent with your decision to release a primarily touch based device and go full metro there instead of squeezing a limited desktop only because their own apps are not ready.

I mean, the only reason you have a "legacy" desktop on the surfaceRT is because Office completely missed the deadline to go metro-style. Isn't that pathetic?

Reply Parent Score: 4

ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

The problem is that tech journalists need to create drama so that people read their articles. Negativity and hyperbole gets clicks, clicks = money.


Then why wasn't he negative about Windows Phone?

I have a Windows Phone and I think Windows 8 is crap and Surface is a joke.

If you look at Amazon user reviews you'll see similar sentiment. Windows Phone reviews are positive while Windows 8 reviews are a mix of hatred and pathetic defenses from apologists.

The excuses for the Sinofsky Windows 8 / Surface plan don't add up and this was true a year ago.

It's a dumb plan. It's just a damn dumb plan and it isn't going anywhere just like most of us predicted on Sinofsky's blog. Trying to compete with the iPad by forcing a mobile interface on desktop users to create an ecosystem was FREAKING STUPID and we haven't even seen the full ramifications of this idiocy. Windows 8 defenders get off Ballmer's short bus while you can.

Reply Parent Score: 5

grat Member since:
2006-02-02

OK so when Microsoft allow us to run "legacy" window applications outside of Metro, we complain that the interface is not touch friendly.

On RT where they restrict our ability to install "legacy" apps we complain that they are restricting us.

Do you see the problem here.


Yes, but apparently you don't. Metro is a perfectly reasonable tablet/phone interface. Windows 7 is a perfectly reasonable desktop interface.

Windows 8 (and by extension, Surface Pro) is the result of using duct tape to jam two totally disparate application environments together, and call it a "unified operating system".

Much like a flying car, it doesn't serve either of it's purposes well-- a car makes a lousy airplane, and an airplane makes a lousy car.

Reply Parent Score: 2

boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Ah yes, the classic "story-mongering media" canned response.

Reply Parent Score: 2