Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 11:23 UTC
Windows And there we are - the Surface Pro reviews are in. Reading through them all, there's clearly a common theme, and it's not particularly positive. We're a few months in now, so I think we can finally call it: Windows 8 and Surface are the wrong way to go.
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Comment by ephracis
by ephracis on Wed 6th Feb 2013 11:58 UTC
ephracis
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2007-09-23

I really hope Windows 8 flops big time so Microsoft will learn not to abandon the desktop. That way I can remain optimistic about Windows 9.

I completely agree with TFA: Use Windows Phone for phones/tablets and keep the old Windows ("Windows Desktop") as an OS with a single identity: desktop. Then by all means integrate those two along with the Xbox as much as you want and create great services to move data between them all. But keep the UX separated!

But the flop has to be really, really big for MS to abandon Metro on the old Windows. I fear they will just keep the desktop a few more versions but still consider it "legacy" and slowly move focus away from it.

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by bnolsen on Wed 6th Feb 2013 13:39 in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
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2006-01-06

The problem is tha MS knows that windows phone is a bust with little or no hope of breaking open the mobile market. That's why they chose to do windows 8 the way they did. They risked their stagnant desktop monopoly to try to leverage themselves into high growth mobile. We'll see how this plays out, so far not looking good but that desktop monopoly is hard to break.

Edited 2013-02-06 13:40 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by ephracis on Wed 6th Feb 2013 14:09 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

I would argue that it doesn't matter if Windows Phone is not popular among smartphones. It still has more apps than Windows RT and besides, the bet that people would enjoy their x86 apps on tablets through Windows 8 seems to not work very well when you consider battery life, heat, device size and price.

It seems that consumer don't consider these trades to be worth the ability to use their usual programs on a tablet. I bet it's because the vast amount of apps available on both tablets and phones. There is no big need for the usual x86 apps on tablets.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by bert64 on Thu 7th Feb 2013 15:59 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2007-04-23

The whole point is that they didn't risk anything... The vast majority of their desktop users are locked in so they're not going anywhere.

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by ilovebeer on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:37 in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
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2011-08-08

I really hope Windows 8 flops big time so Microsoft will learn not to abandon the desktop. That way I can remain optimistic about Windows 9.

I'm optimistic for Windows 9 because no matter how I look at it, I just can't see Windows 8 being that successful. I don't claim to have a crystal ball but I don't believe Windows 8 is going to be successful enough to keep it moving forward. I do believe MS will be doing some backtracking.

But the flop has to be really, really big for MS to abandon Metro on the old Windows. I fear they will just keep the desktop a few more versions but still consider it "legacy" and slowly move focus away from it.

The first mistake is thinking tablets or smartphones are a replacement for desktops. They are not and never will be. The second mistake is thinking desktops are legacy. They are not. If the desktop vanished tomorrow, it would be crippling. There is no shortage of tasks that only make sense and can only be done efficiently using desktops. For that reason alone I have no fear desktops are going to disappear any time soon.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 19:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2012-06-22

The first mistake was ignoring/censoring feedback from Windows developers, MCSEs, retail partners, and just about everyone else but the me-like-sparkly suckers that bought into Sinofsky's bullshit.

The early Windows 8 pre-release polls were showing widespread rejection but Ballmer and Sinofsky went ahead with the plan anyways.

Hopefully Ballmer will get his NBA team and lose interest in tech so he can stop damaging the company and also give Microsoft apologists a break from having to defend his continued incompetence. They are really having to put a lot of extra time in defending all these flops.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by Delgarde on Thu 7th Feb 2013 01:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2008-08-19

The first mistake is thinking tablets or smartphones are a replacement for desktops.


Not quite. Tablets and smartphones *are* replacements for desktops, for a certain range of activities. I've done a fair amount of travel over the past few years, and while I've previously carried a laptop with me, I'm unlikely to do so again in future - on the most recent trip, a smartphone was adequate for almost all circumstances, and a lightweight tablet would easily cover the rest.

So yeah - I agree that phones/tablets can't replace desktops for *all* use cases, but they do cover enough of them that a lot of users (particularly students and home users) no longer need a desktop. Desktops/laptops won't disappear completely, but they *will* become a great deal less common as tablets become more and more capable.

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RE: Comment by ephracis
by miguelholandes on Fri 8th Feb 2013 14:11 in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
miguelholandes Member since:
2013-02-07

microsoft did not abandon the desktop with windows 8.... who gave you that idea? It is all still there...

that is exactly why windows 8 is nothing short of brilliant, two completely different operating sytems in one....

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by _txf_ on Fri 8th Feb 2013 16:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2008-03-17

microsoft did not abandon the desktop with windows 8.... who gave you that idea? It is all still there...

The fact that one has to deal with the start screen indicates that the desktop is definitely playing second fiddle...

that is exactly why windows 8 is nothing short of brilliant, two completely different operating sytems in one....

Yeah, because two of anything is always better. Much like we consider multiple personality syndrome a plus...

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by ephracis on Sat 9th Feb 2013 10:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2007-09-23

It is called "legacy" for a reason. It is there now, but it has been abandon in the sense that it will not receiving the attention and focus that it deserves. The desktop is being removed slowly.

As an analogy I could argue that DOS is still there in the form of the command line. But how much new features are brought to the command line versus the Windows GUI? Microsoft doesn't have an infinite number of personnel and can't focus on everything. It seems they are moving the desktop down the priority list very fast.

That's what gave me the idea that the desktop has been abandoned. Not removed, but abandoned.

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