Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 11:23 UTC
Windows And there we are - the Surface Pro reviews are in. Reading through them all, there's clearly a common theme, and it's not particularly positive. We're a few months in now, so I think we can finally call it: Windows 8 and Surface are the wrong way to go.
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No Thom, no.
by ronaldst on Wed 6th Feb 2013 12:51 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

The Surface Pro is actually pretty good. I am not surprised one bit by the battery performance. It seems on par with other Ultrabooks. People have got to get over it. It's got a CPU with horsepower. Unlike iPads, Nexuses and the regular Surface. I was surprised at the choice of the CPU. Intel makes CULVs that would have been a much better candidate. If it weren't got the small screen, I'd say this is the top Ultrabook out there.

Also the potato camera. MS could have put 10 cents more for something decent.

The kickstand is great. No need for a dock or a keyboard dock. User can watch movies like a person would on a second monitor. It's what I am missing on my tablet. ;)

I disagree also on the Windows 8. I want both worlds on my tablet, my home server and my desktop. Most people here complain about the whole thing being inconsistent. But in reality, they're complaining about the lack of apps and the mediocre ones included. This is MS' fault entirely. Also Metro on Windows 8 seems clumsier than on WP. While the intention is good, auto-hide panels (charm bar, app bar, etc...) are newbie design mistakes.

It all comes down to the users needs, you want to buy a tablet only for consumption and web-class games or one that can reach desktop performance and usability.

I expect a video on Youtube with World of Warcraft and Diablo 3 running on this beast pretty soon.

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RE: No Thom, no.
by lindkvis on Wed 6th Feb 2013 15:17 in reply to "No Thom, no."
lindkvis Member since:
2006-11-21

If it weren't got the small screen, I'd say this is the top Ultrabook out there.


Except it isn't very good as an Ultrabook. Its keyboard isn't good enough for extended use as a laptop. It is certainly considerably worse than having a regular Ultrabook with a top notch keyboard. It also has a very small screen for extended use.

It is also not very good as a tablet, because it is much heavier, larger and has much worse battery life than a typical tablet. It has considerably less available "tablet" software than an iPad or Android tablet and its "Windows classic" software is clunky to use on a tablet.

So this Frankentablet is only really the best choice if you definitely need to carry both a tablet and a laptop (and you can live with the small screen and poor keyboard on the laptop). If not, buying a separate tablet and laptop is going to be cheaper and better.

This means the target market for this thing is really quite small.

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by JPisini on Wed 6th Feb 2013 19:56 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
JPisini Member since:
2006-01-24

I have to disagree with you this isn't the best tablet with a keyboard. I have been using a keyboard with my Android tablet for months with no issues and half the people that I know with Ipads also have keyboards that work fine. This is MS trying to be different and failing this tablet is not better at anything than the devices it tries to replace.

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RE: No Thom, no.
by WereCatf on Wed 6th Feb 2013 16:11 in reply to "No Thom, no."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Most people here complain about the whole thing being inconsistent. But in reality, they're complaining about the lack of apps and the mediocre ones included.


No, atleast I know perfectly well what I am complaining about and I do definitely mean inconsistency and the jarring transitions between the two different UI-styles. The total loss of discoverability is also a big issue.

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RE: No Thom, no.
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 19:48 in reply to "No Thom, no."
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Most people here complain about the whole thing being inconsistent. But in reality, they're complaining about the lack of apps and the mediocre ones included.


Ok so when I'm complaining about two IE's that switch back in forth inconsistently or two interfaces that inconsistently switch between tasks I'm actually complaining about application compatibility. Right.

Or how about in Surface where you click "Word" in Metro and you get dumped to the desktop which then auto-launches Win32 Word. I'd say that is inconsistent.

Windows 8 is a piece of shit OS as seen by the consistently failed attempts by people like yourself to deflect and delegitimize criticism. I work in enterprise and everyone I work with thinks it is a bad joke but please continue trying to flail and defend this stupid idea.

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by Nelson on Thu 7th Feb 2013 02:19 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I just refuse to take people who complain about this serious. It is really not a big deal.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Windows 8, this one is one of the more baseless ones I've come across.

So your screen fades into the Desktop when you run Office (a Desktop app). Big deal.

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by Tuishimi on Thu 7th Feb 2013 15:55 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

What's your favorite ice cream flavor, because I am pretty sure I won't like it.

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by -pekr- on Fri 8th Feb 2013 05:53 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
-pekr- Member since:
2006-03-28

You work in an enterprise? Then why your reply is a joke as much as your claim that Win8 is a joke? Your enterprise has to have 5 employees, you, and your 4 IT friends probably, who can't even sort out, what Windows 8 is, sorry.

I really wonder, how 3 ppl can raise your post score. If you can't sort out, how to use Metro/Desktop, then you should probably stop using a computer. Well, I work in an enterprise too, and first thing is - users don't care at all. For them, Metro just provides them with sorted-out icons to start their apps (yes, we replace Metro ones with Desktop ones). In fact, if we ask, the transition was absolutly flawless for all ppl we ask, noone raised any problems, so either most of ppl in your enterprise are extremly stupid, or our ppl are extremly technically savy. Decide for yourself :-)

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RE: No Thom, no.
by dsmogor on Wed 6th Feb 2013 20:37 in reply to "No Thom, no."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

MS dropped the ball by not using Haswell, since Windows 8 kernel was the one for which its extraordinary power management was designed.
How ridiculous is that?

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by sonnyrao on Sun 10th Feb 2013 08:44 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
sonnyrao Member since:
2011-07-18

I'm guessing they'll have a Haswell version out by the end of this year, and then many of the issues with battery life (and possibly heat) will be reduced, and when Broadwell comes out it'll likely be competitive with the (current) iPad on battery life.

So, should they have waited yet another 6-9 months to release the surface pro? Maybe but I also doubt MS executives would have allowed that considering how badly PC sales have been lately. IMO, unless you know the experience is just abysmal ahead of time (which is often very difficult to know) I think the better strategy is to release and iterate.

The other problem is, nobody else is standing still, and everyone else will have these advances too. Microsoft doesn't have an exclusive right to Intel's power improvements (or those from ARM SoCs for that matter), so the hardware available at the time isn't always the biggest factor, and I think the real question is how well the Windows 8 software does in the market and if people are willing to accept it, and having more iterations also gives them more chances to fix the brokenness/stupidity of windows 8.

If they're smart, then they'll take that opportunity and the version of Surface with Haswell will be more mature and just better overall.

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RE: No Thom, no.
by Vanders on Wed 6th Feb 2013 23:49 in reply to "No Thom, no."
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

The Surface Pro is actually pretty good. I am not surprised one bit by the battery performance. It seems on par with other Ultrabooks.

If the Surface Pro was an Ultrabook that wouldn't be an issue, would it?

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RE[2]: No Thom, no.
by Nelson on Thu 7th Feb 2013 03:32 in reply to "RE: No Thom, no."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

That's not all, its even bad by Ultrabook comparisons, and it doesn't make for a great Ultrabook at any rate.

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RE: No Thom, no.
by mikebelle on Thu 7th Feb 2013 17:23 in reply to "No Thom, no."
mikebelle Member since:
2012-10-22

While I understand that you may want "both worlds" and that's perfectly legitimate, I can attest that I personally do not.

No it's not just because of the horrible apps(though that doesn't help, it's because I find switching between two very different interfaces jarring.

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