Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 13:29 UTC
Games "Sources with first-hand experience of Microsoft's next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user." Crap like this should be illegal. If I can't buy second-hand games at my local favourite game store, Microsoft can shove this new Xbox where the sun don't shine. Which it obviously doesn't do in Redmond if they can come up with this kind of user-hostile bullshit. You can pretty much guarantee that they have made a silent agreement with Sony to implement similar anti-user feature on the next Playstation.
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by Lava_Croft on Wed 6th Feb 2013 14:42 UTC
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Steam has a similair problem where games that you bought are games you do not actually own, since Valve does not allow you to resell the game you are supposed to own. A second lawsuit against this is underway in Germany.

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by lucas_maximus on Wed 6th Feb 2013 17:13 in reply to "Steam"
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It funny how people are disgusted by this, but don't have a problem with Steam which is essentially the same thing.

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by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:23 in reply to "RE: Steam"
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I'm disgusted by both and Steam fans sicken me.

For years I heard about how Steam is great since they will "pass on the savings" but no one explained why Steam wouldn't just take the retailer's cut.

Black Ops 2 is still $60 on Steam and yet you can find the retail Xbox version for $50. Where did the savings go?

The worst thing gamers can do is cheer away retail discounting and used game pricing pressure. Microsoft, Sony and Steam are not your pals and just want your goddamn money. Retail discounting and used games are unwanted competition for them, it's really that simple.

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by yester64 on Fri 8th Feb 2013 03:57 in reply to "RE: Steam"
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It funny how people are disgusted by this, but don't have a problem with Steam which is essentially the same thing.

Thats why i rather buy my games from GoG than from Steam. I do like Steam since it has also the community aspect, but i don't play much online really.
The other thing that i think is valuable on Steam are the Indie games that are promoted.
Before people sold their account over ebay but that is outlawed too. Not sure if that ever was legal anyway.

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RE: Steam
by andrewclunn on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:38 in reply to "Steam"
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Except that there's no physical disk, so the fact that I can't resell a disk that doesn't exist is mute, I can log in from any computer and play my games and accesses my save files (that they store for me for free), and I'm able to redownload the games as many times as I like if I reformat my machine or clear games temporarily for space.

But you know, they're the same as Microsoft if you just hate paying for things and want to justify why you pirate software rather than support developers.

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by sukru on Wed 6th Feb 2013 19:56 in reply to "Steam"
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Steam has both positives, and negatives about their DRM, and they have managed to keep the positive side stronger, so many people (including myself) support them.

I know that I cannot sell, or gift my existing games on steam. On the other hand, I sell my games to make funds to buy more, and steam is already at least 60% cheaper for me (thanks to holiday deals).

Also Steam allows me to download not only my games, but also all my saves on any computer, at any time.

When I balance everything, I prefer steam even to GOG (which is also another great service, btw).

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