Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 13:29 UTC
Games "Sources with first-hand experience of Microsoft's next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user." Crap like this should be illegal. If I can't buy second-hand games at my local favourite game store, Microsoft can shove this new Xbox where the sun don't shine. Which it obviously doesn't do in Redmond if they can come up with this kind of user-hostile bullshit. You can pretty much guarantee that they have made a silent agreement with Sony to implement similar anti-user feature on the next Playstation.
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RE[2]: Steam
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Steam"
ze_jerkface
Member since:
2012-06-22

I'm disgusted by both and Steam fans sicken me.

For years I heard about how Steam is great since they will "pass on the savings" but no one explained why Steam wouldn't just take the retailer's cut.

Black Ops 2 is still $60 on Steam and yet you can find the retail Xbox version for $50. Where did the savings go?

The worst thing gamers can do is cheer away retail discounting and used game pricing pressure. Microsoft, Sony and Steam are not your pals and just want your goddamn money. Retail discounting and used games are unwanted competition for them, it's really that simple.

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RE[3]: Steam
by henderson101 on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Steam"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

I have about 20 games on steam, most are cross platform and all were either bundled (in one of those pay what you want Humble Bundle Games deals) or were under $5. Do I care that they are tied to Steam? Not really - makes it easy to set up a new PC or Mac. As few cost me any sizeable chunk of cash, none really matter to me, plus about half of them came with DRM free downloadable versions too (Steam was an added "bonus".)

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RE[4]: Steam
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:53 in reply to "RE[3]: Steam"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

That's nice, I don't really care about pc gaming anymore and can live without it. PC gamers have voted for Steam and less pricing pressure.

Many of us former pc gamers switched to consoles and don't want to see more power ceded to fewer hands.

Steam charges a royalty rate that is higher than the retail cut and Microsoft and Sony are surely slobbering over the prospect of doing the same.

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RE[3]: Steam
by snowbender on Wed 6th Feb 2013 21:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Steam"
snowbender Member since:
2006-05-04

Black Ops 2 is still $60 on Steam and yet you can find the retail Xbox version for $50. Where did the savings go?


Did you find Black Ops 2 for PC cheaper than 60$ in retail then? (No point mentioning the Xbox version since it's not the same thing.) It's not because you have Steam installed on your pc, that you can no longer buy games from retail. Actually, depending on where I get the better deal, I buy the game from retail or from Steam.

You mention Black Ops 2. I noticed that the retail price of Black Ops was pretty high (definitely until before Black Ops 2 was released) even though that game is already a couple years old... The price for Black Ops was high both on Steam and on retail (50 euro). I was surprised by that because I have the impression that in recent years most games drop in price a lot faster than about 5 years ago. I noticed that with most popular (PC) games the price starts around 50-60 euro, and drops to 25-30 euro after only a couple of months. But Black Ops stayed on 50 euro after over a year and I still don't get why.

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RE[4]: Steam
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 21:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Steam"
ze_jerkface Member since:
2012-06-22

Did you find Black Ops 2 for PC cheaper than 60$ in retail then?


Yea actually the retail pc version is $50 on Amazon as well. Newegg is also listing it for $50.

(No point mentioning the Xbox version since it's not the same thing.)


No it isn't the same thing, the pc version should always be cheaper since there is no console royalty fee for Microsoft or Sony. But Steam takes that cut AND the retailer's and doesn't give a shit about "passing on the savings" to pc gamers.

Steam is a racket, not just with their pricing but in their ability to convince pc gamers that they are on the same team.

Steam is on team "empty your wallet" and is not your buddy. That should have been clear when they released their own L4D2 on Steam for $60. Disgusting.

Edited 2013-02-06 21:57 UTC

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