Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Feb 2013 11:23 UTC
Windows And there we are - the Surface Pro reviews are in. Reading through them all, there's clearly a common theme, and it's not particularly positive. We're a few months in now, so I think we can finally call it: Windows 8 and Surface are the wrong way to go.
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RE: Comment by ephracis
by ilovebeer on Wed 6th Feb 2013 18:37 UTC in reply to "Comment by ephracis"
ilovebeer
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I really hope Windows 8 flops big time so Microsoft will learn not to abandon the desktop. That way I can remain optimistic about Windows 9.

I'm optimistic for Windows 9 because no matter how I look at it, I just can't see Windows 8 being that successful. I don't claim to have a crystal ball but I don't believe Windows 8 is going to be successful enough to keep it moving forward. I do believe MS will be doing some backtracking.

But the flop has to be really, really big for MS to abandon Metro on the old Windows. I fear they will just keep the desktop a few more versions but still consider it "legacy" and slowly move focus away from it.

The first mistake is thinking tablets or smartphones are a replacement for desktops. They are not and never will be. The second mistake is thinking desktops are legacy. They are not. If the desktop vanished tomorrow, it would be crippling. There is no shortage of tasks that only make sense and can only be done efficiently using desktops. For that reason alone I have no fear desktops are going to disappear any time soon.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by ze_jerkface on Wed 6th Feb 2013 19:33 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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2012-06-22

The first mistake was ignoring/censoring feedback from Windows developers, MCSEs, retail partners, and just about everyone else but the me-like-sparkly suckers that bought into Sinofsky's bullshit.

The early Windows 8 pre-release polls were showing widespread rejection but Ballmer and Sinofsky went ahead with the plan anyways.

Hopefully Ballmer will get his NBA team and lose interest in tech so he can stop damaging the company and also give Microsoft apologists a break from having to defend his continued incompetence. They are really having to put a lot of extra time in defending all these flops.

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RE[2]: Comment by ephracis
by Delgarde on Thu 7th Feb 2013 01:44 in reply to "RE: Comment by ephracis"
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The first mistake is thinking tablets or smartphones are a replacement for desktops.


Not quite. Tablets and smartphones *are* replacements for desktops, for a certain range of activities. I've done a fair amount of travel over the past few years, and while I've previously carried a laptop with me, I'm unlikely to do so again in future - on the most recent trip, a smartphone was adequate for almost all circumstances, and a lightweight tablet would easily cover the rest.

So yeah - I agree that phones/tablets can't replace desktops for *all* use cases, but they do cover enough of them that a lot of users (particularly students and home users) no longer need a desktop. Desktops/laptops won't disappear completely, but they *will* become a great deal less common as tablets become more and more capable.

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RE[3]: Comment by ephracis
by ilovebeer on Thu 7th Feb 2013 16:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by ephracis"
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"The first mistake is thinking tablets or smartphones are a replacement for desktops.


Not quite. Tablets and smartphones *are* replacements for desktops, for a certain range of activities. I've done a fair amount of travel over the past few years, and while I've previously carried a laptop with me, I'm unlikely to do so again in future - on the most recent trip, a smartphone was adequate for almost all circumstances, and a lightweight tablet would easily cover the rest.
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There is a pool of common uses that these devices share. If the only thing you do is within that pool then whichever device you prefer should suit you. But, many many people have uses outside of that pool where just one device doesn't cut it.

So yeah - I agree that phones/tablets can't replace desktops for *all* use cases, but they do cover enough of them that a lot of users (particularly students and home users) no longer need a desktop. Desktops/laptops won't disappear completely, but they *will* become a great deal less common as tablets become more and more capable.

Well, ..no. Desktop sales aren't growing but they're not plummeting either. Desktop PCs continue to sell hundreds of millions of units per year. There's enough data to know people aren't typically buying tablets or smartphones as replacements, but rather in addition to the other devices the have. How many people here have both a smartphone and a tablet? Of those people, how many need both versus own both for any other reason than need? As far as (college) students go, you see a whole lot of laptops & netbooks but you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone doing all their work on a tablet or smartphone.

Tablets have their place, nobody is saying otherwise. But so do desktops and it's going to remain that way for a long time. It's important not to forget that fact. These devices are used for a lot more than email, twitter following, facebook updates, google'ing, etc.

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