Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Feb 2013 20:57 UTC
Features, Office "The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.0, the free office suite the community has been dreaming of since 2001. LibreOffice 4.0 is the first release that reflects the objectives set by the community at the time of the announcement, in September 2010: a cleaner and leaner code base, an improved set of features, better interoperability, and a more diverse and inclusive ecosystem."
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Couple of questions
by WorknMan on Thu 7th Feb 2013 21:33 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

1. Have they gotten rid of the Java dependencies I remember from older versions of OpenOffice? I don't think most people want to install Java unless they absolutely have to, esp with all the vulnerabilities I've seen reported on the tech news blogs. On the other hand, I don't remember which parts of OO required Java; the database app did IRIC.

2. Speaking of OpenOffice, what has become of that project? Is it gonna fizzle out like a bad fart, as Mozilla did whenever Firefox took off?

Edited 2013-02-07 21:34 UTC

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RE: Couple of questions
by WereCatf on Thu 7th Feb 2013 21:36 in reply to "Couple of questions"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

1. Have they gotten rid of the Java dependencies I remember from older versions of OpenOffice?


Not as far as I know. I sure hope they would, however, as I don't want Java on any of my machines.

EDIT: Their website does state "For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required. Java is notably required for Base."

Edited 2013-02-07 21:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Couple of questions
by moondevil on Fri 8th Feb 2013 06:20 in reply to "RE: Couple of questions"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

How do I remove C and C++ from my machines?

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RE: Couple of questions
by Alfman on Thu 7th Feb 2013 22:38 in reply to "Couple of questions"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

"I don't think most people want to install Java unless they absolutely have to, esp with all the vulnerabilities I've seen reported on the tech news blogs."

I don't think that's really fair.

Most of the security vulnerabilities I've seen are only applicable to contexts in which the virtual machine is intentionally running buggy and untrusted code, such as in applets. All too often java's security is compared to languages which have no containment security whatsoever, like C. In other words, java code needs a privilege escalation to reach the same level of security that a C program starts out with.

In the context of a program we intentionally download and trust implicitly, I'd be surprised if anyone could make a strong case against the security of Java programs compared to C, although I welcome information to the contrary.

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RE: Couple of questions
by JAlexoid on Fri 8th Feb 2013 01:05 in reply to "Couple of questions"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

You don't have to install Java with OO or LO, unless you want JDBC connectivity. JDBC connectivity is probably the only thing left.

But you've made your hate for Java quite clear some time ago.

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RE[2]: Couple of questions
by UglyKidBill on Fri 8th Feb 2013 01:42 in reply to "RE: Couple of questions"
UglyKidBill Member since:
2005-07-27

I DO remember OO crashing boldly (like in 'loosing the entire file and not being able to recover it') when using the feature to e-mail the open document directly from OO if java was not installed...

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RE: Couple of questions
by marcp on Fri 8th Feb 2013 12:36 in reply to "Couple of questions"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

The sole purpose of Java hook in Open/Office is to assure *compatibility with MS Office crappy file formats*.
So yeah, when it comes to me, it can be erased from the package.

Anyway, LibreOffice is incredibly good and I never treated it as an "alternative" to anything else. Instead, Open/LibreOffice was always my primary choice, others didn't even have a potential to become valuable alternatives.

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RE: Couple of questions
by f0dder on Fri 8th Feb 2013 17:04 in reply to "Couple of questions"
f0dder Member since:
2009-08-05

Doesn't seem to be necessary to install just calc+writer.

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RE: Couple of questions
by Thomas2005 on Sat 9th Feb 2013 00:50 in reply to "Couple of questions"
Thomas2005 Member since:
2005-11-07

1. Have they gotten rid of the Java dependencies I remember from older versions of OpenOffice? I don't think most people want to install Java unless they absolutely have to, esp with all the vulnerabilities I've seen reported on the tech news blogs. On the other hand, I don't remember which parts of OO required Java; the database app did IRIC.

Getting rid of Java is a goal but I think they wanted to clean up the code before they focused their efforts on eliminating Java. I think we will see Java become an option in the 4.x series.

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RE: Couple of questions
by Sodki on Sun 10th Feb 2013 15:08 in reply to "Couple of questions"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

1. Have they gotten rid of the Java dependencies I remember from older versions of OpenOffice?


They are working on it, but they are not finished.

2. Speaking of OpenOffice, what has become of that project?


OpenOffice.org is now an Apache project. People are working on it, but to be fair the really cool stuff is happening on LibreOffice. And LibreOffice can pick up the new stuff that might be in Apache OpenOffice.org, because the license allows it.

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