Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Feb 2013 02:02 UTC
Legal "This means that people can no longer get convicted for violating the copyright monopoly alone. The court just declared it illegal for any court in Europe to convict somebody for breaking the copyright monopoly law when sharing culture, only on the merits of breaking the law. A court that tries somebody for violating the copyright monopoly must now also show that a conviction is necessary to defend democracy itself in order to convict. This is a considerably higher bar to meet." Well, that's progress, I guess.
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RE: Interesting
by WereCatf on Fri 8th Feb 2013 03:05 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
WereCatf
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Private conduct is not a copyrighted works and is not produced with the intent that other people consume it, so your comparison between copyrighted works and details about private conduct is inherently flawed. A copyrighted work is created intentionally by you whereas tracking data is created from you simply being yourself and is even not produced by you yourself.

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RE[2]: Interesting
by WorknMan on Fri 8th Feb 2013 03:29 in reply to "RE: Interesting"
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2005-11-13

Private conduct is not a copyrighted works and is not produced with the intent that other people consume it, so your comparison between copyrighted works and details about private conduct is inherently flawed.


Not really, since they have two things in common:

1. There are people that want to share the information with each other
2. There are other people who wish not to have this information shared

Technology does not discriminate based on intent, so it doesn't matter WHY it came into being, and who the intended recipients were is really irrelavent. Either you're going to allow sharing wholesale, or you're not. And really, it's futile to try and prevent it; that would be kind of like pissing into the wind.

Edited 2013-02-08 03:30 UTC

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RE[3]: Interesting
by kwan_e on Fri 8th Feb 2013 03:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
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2007-02-18

Not really, since they have two things in common:


And that's enough for you?

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RE[3]: Interesting
by WereCatf on Fri 8th Feb 2013 03:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Technology does not discriminate based on intent, so it doesn't matter WHY it came into being, and who the intended recipients were is really irrelavent. Either you're going to allow sharing wholesale, or you're not. And really, it's futile to try and prevent it; that would be kind of like pissing into the wind.


That's exactly the kind of an argument I was expecting and you swallowed the hook, sinker and all. You see, you didn't really think this through: technology may not discriminate based on intent, but we are humans being and we are indeed capable of doing that. If you go by the "it's just data and all data should be free," then you've just basically said that your social security IDs, your real name, address, the names of all of your relatives, the filenames and contents of anything you produce, your e-mails, your banking details, even your god damn passwords should be shared freely -- after all, they're all data, and you just yourself said "it doesn't matter WHY it came into being, and who the intended recipients were."

You might wish to re-think this thing through.

Edited 2013-02-08 03:50 UTC

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RE[3]: Interesting
by r_a_trip on Fri 8th Feb 2013 11:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
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2005-07-06

There is one fundamental difference. In case of sharing a copyrighted work, there is a book, a movie or some other dead thing attached to the information and maybe an expectation of monetary remuneration. When it comes to user profiling, the attached object is a living, breathing being, with hopes, dreams, feelings, emotions, etc. They don't tend to thrive too well when they are treated like cattle to make a profit of off.

It's a choice we need to make. Will we go for "Only the strong survive, so I don't have a problem making a buck by selling my own grandma to the highest bidder." or do we go for "As a group we want and need to make sure everybody has the best chance to lead a dignified and happy life."

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