Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 9th Feb 2013 01:01 UTC
Apple "Over the last half a week, Apple has been hit with the largest mass-hacking incident in its history. And the perpetrators were the company's own users. Nearly seven million iPhone, iPad and iPod touch owners have cracked Apple's restrictions on their devices using the jailbreaking tool Evasi0n since the tool was released Monday morning, according to the latest count from Jay Freeman, the administrator of the app store for jailbroken devices known as Cydia. That makes the iOS-hacking app the fastest-adopted jailbreak software of all time, Freeman says." Because, of course, only nerds and geeks jailbreak. There's also a technical analysis of the jailbreak.
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RE: I ssee both sides of this
by Soulbender on Sat 9th Feb 2013 02:33 UTC in reply to "I ssee both sides of this"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Allow side-loading in iOS, but only after turning on a "big red switch."


Sounds good...

This switch would, once turned on, send your serial number to Apple


Until this part. WTF? It's NONE of Apple's business who jailbreak their phones.

and void your warranty (unless, of course, you've paid for extra Applecare coverage).


I would have thought that's already the case.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Until this part. WTF? It's NONE of Apple's business who jailbreak their phones.

No, it's not, but unfortunately I can't think of a better way to make this work. There has to be able to be some record of the device being jailbroken, otherwise Apple will end up obligated to fix something they don't support. I'm trying to think of a more balanced way to handle it, but I just can't. Besides, I notice you don't raise any objection to HTC having known who unlocked their boot loaders. I don't particularly like any company having a record like that but, if such a system were to work, it's necessary.

"and void your warranty (unless, of course, you've paid for extra Applecare coverage).


I would have thought that's already the case.
"
Officially, it is. However, unless the phone is blatantly jailbroken (e.g. you've got a cydia icon glaring out from your springboard) then odds are they'll not even check for it. For example, I saw an iPhone where a bad bit of malware pulled in managed to forceably overheat the device, which ended up frying the battery. It was completely, 100%, the fault of the user in this particular case. They downloaded this app, ran it, noticed their phone was getting hot but rather than remove it, they continued to use it. The result? Apple couldn't prove it was jailbroken, so they had to fix it. This would not have been covered by the warranty in any other circumstance. The only way I see to be fair to both the businesses and the power users is to have some form of record that the device has been jailbroken. I've tried to see another way to be fair to all sides, and I just don't.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

There has to be able to be some record of the device being jailbroken, otherwise Apple will end up obligated to fix something they don't support


No, it really doesn't.
Apple techs can see if a phone they're working on has been jailbroken or not. If it has been jailbroken, no warranty. Sure, there might be the occasional clever person who can trick them but hey, them's the breaks so live with it.
Phones are no different from any other product in this respect.

The only way I see to be fair to both the businesses and the power users is to have some form of record that the device has been jailbroken.


Sorry but no, this is just WAY too much "big brother is watching".

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

"No, it's not, but unfortunately I can't think of a better way to make this work. There has to be able to be some record of the device being jailbroken, otherwise Apple will end up obligated to fix something they don't support. I'm trying to think of a more balanced way to handle it, but I just can't."

Your making this more complicated than it needs to be. Apple has the option of re-flashing the device to stock, or it can say that the warranty is voided and opt not to service jailbroken devices, or charge a fee to do so. What you are talking about is a non-problem.

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The1stImmortal Member since:
2005-10-20

"[q]and void your warranty (unless, of course, you've paid for extra Applecare coverage).


I would have thought that's already the case.
"
Officially, it is. However, unless the phone is blatantly jailbroken (e.g. you've got a cydia icon glaring out from your springboard) then odds are they'll not even check for it. For example, I saw an iPhone where a bad bit of malware pulled in managed to forceably overheat the device, which ended up frying the battery. It was completely, 100%, the fault of the user in this particular case. They downloaded this app, ran it, noticed their phone was getting hot but rather than remove it, they continued to use it. The result? Apple couldn't prove it was jailbroken, so they had to fix it. This would not have been covered by the warranty in any other circumstance. The only way I see to be fair to both the businesses and the power users is to have some form of record that the device has been jailbroken. I've tried to see another way to be fair to all sides, and I just don't. [/q]
If the hardware permits software to do something so blatantly stupid as this, then it's a hardware/firmware bug and I'd expect Apple to honour the warranty.

If one started trying to get apple to support the IOS on the device after installing malware through jailbreaking, then I'd expect a rejection of warranty.

Jailbreaking should void at most the software warranty, but the hardware should be covered until you break out the soldering iron or start drilling through the phone or what have you.

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