Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Feb 2013 15:22 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "'But how is it going to beat Android or iOS?' That's the reaction many people have when I tell them that I am working on Firefox OS, the new mobile operating system from Mozilla. It is a logical reaction. After all, we live in times where every major software company and its mother is releasing a mobile platform, struggling to lure developers into their new proprietary environment, APIs, libraries, etc. And indeed, many of these companies barely make it or don’t make it at all. But Firefox OS will not be directly battling against other mobile platforms. Its main objective is to change the way the world develops mobile apps, and even in the unlikely event that Firefox OS itself disappears in the process, if web-apps become mainstream, it will have succeeded."
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Taking credit
by Alfman on Mon 11th Feb 2013 16:50 UTC
Alfman
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2011-01-28

"Its main objective is to change the way the world develops mobile apps, and even in the unlikely event that Firefox OS itself disappears in the process, if web-apps become mainstream, it will have succeeded."

Web apps are *already* becoming mainstream, if anything they're at risk of missing the boat. Sorry to rain on the parade, but Firefox OS will not have been the driving force behind them.

Edit: more competition is definitely a good thing and it might prove to be a good platform, but it's pretentious to take credit for a movement that's already been taking place in your absence.

Edited 2013-02-11 16:54 UTC

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RE: Taking credit
by Savior on Mon 11th Feb 2013 17:04 in reply to "Taking credit"
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2006-09-02

but it's pretentious to take credit for a movement that's already been taking place in your absence.


"In your absence?" Unless you are younger than 8 years old, you must remember the state of the web in 2004, when Firefox first came out. Just compare that to how it is today, and you'll see that we have come a long way. Thanks to, for example, the guys at Mozilla, who freed us from the clutches of ActiveX and made using standard-complient web apps possible.

In your absence, really.

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RE[2]: Taking credit
by Alfman on Tue 12th Feb 2013 01:01 in reply to "RE: Taking credit"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Savior,

"'In your absence?' Unless you are younger than 8 years old, you must remember the state of the web in 2004, when Firefox first came out. Just compare that to how it is today, and you'll see that we have come a long way. Thanks to, for example, the guys at Mozilla, who freed us from the clutches of ActiveX and made using standard-complient web apps possible."


That's all well and good, except it's out of context and it has nothing to do with this article nor my post. The author was clearly talking about Firefox *OS* and how it would take on Android and iOS. I don't object to Firefox OS nor the Firefox browser btw, but to say it will be responsible for mainstreaming web apps *is* pretentious.

The Firefox *browser* might deserve some credit too, but it was really apple who took on the proprietary extensions like flash. I don't believe for a second that apple were being altruistic, but there you go.

"In your absence, really."

Trust me I was there throughout activex hell.

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RE: Taking credit
by Fergy on Mon 11th Feb 2013 17:21 in reply to "Taking credit"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Web apps are *already* becoming mainstream, if anything they're at risk of missing the boat. Sorry to rain on the parade, but Firefox OS will not have been the driving force behind them.

Where are they mainstream? I have seen a few demos of how a webapp would work but nothing real yet. I am still waiting until websites like gmail and greader become webapps. If you think they are already let me tell you what they are missing:
- works offline
- doesn't need a special plugin/program/browser

And that is exactly what Firefox OS is promising and what Chrome(OS) still doesn't do.

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RE[2]: Taking credit
by Sodki on Mon 11th Feb 2013 17:23 in reply to "RE: Taking credit"
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2005-11-10

As far as I know Gmail and Google Docs already work offline without plugins, but I don't use them so I'm not completely certain.

Edited 2013-02-11 17:23 UTC

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RE[2]: Taking credit
by Alfman on Tue 12th Feb 2013 01:40 in reply to "RE: Taking credit"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Fergy,

"Where are they mainstream? I have seen a few demos of how a webapp would work but nothing real yet. I am still waiting until websites like gmail and greader become webapps."

Yes, these are are a couple of the webapps that people have been using instead of local binary counterparts.

"If you think they are already let me tell you what they are missing:
- works offline
- doesn't need a special plugin/program/browser"


The following link may interest you:

http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/offline

Though I must say, my personal opinion is that I'd rather improve & standardize the network transparency of local apps with sandboxing/provisioning/updates rather than have to go into the browser to use "local webapps" and loose most of my host OS features.

I think JavaOne was a great model for the convergence between network and local applications, but it may have been too early for it's time. It's prospects disintegrated as sun ultimate fell apart.

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