Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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Opera doesn't want to be populair
by Fergy on Wed 13th Feb 2013 15:57 UTC
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

Opera now joins the ranks of Maxthon, Avant, Comodo Dragon, Flock, K-Meleon etc. They use the Stephen Elop strategy of stopping development on the main thing that makes you special. Now they can focus on making Opera better by implementing new web technologies, improving web performance, reducing memory and cpu usage... Wait that is all in the engine!

Thanks Opera for kicking the web in the nuts. Now you can make it easier for web developers to shut out Gecko and Trident because webkit is the only rendering engine that matters. You truly are the nemesis of Mozilla.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Oh, At first I thought you were saying that the other browsers also abandoned their engines to focus on ui. But I understand you're saying that Opera will now just be like them, only doing ui.

Fair enough, however Opera has actually invented most of the modern web browser ui that I find useful (tabs, quick dial, etc). Its the engine that it usually fell short on. So I look forward to it being able to innovate without having to constantly fix their javascript support.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Oh, At first I thought you were saying that the other browsers also abandoned their engines to focus on ui. But I understand you're saying that Opera will now just be like them, only doing ui.

Fair enough, however Opera has actually invented most of the modern web browser ui that I find useful (tabs, quick dial, etc). Its the engine that it usually fell short on. So I look forward to it being able to innovate without having to constantly fix their javascript support.

Yeah sorry I could have been more clear. But I don't care about who was first. I care about who does it best. Opera is number 2 for me(Firefox is 1). Opera feels fast and reliable. The speed of Chrome with the nice Opera GUI would be an improvement on Chrome but a step backwards for Opera.

Edited 2013-02-13 18:10 UTC

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Phucked Member since:
2008-09-24

Fair enough, however Opera has actually invented most of the modern web browser ui that I find useful (tabs, quick dial, etc). Its the engine that it usually fell short on. So I look forward to it being able to innovate without having to constantly fix their javascript support.


The first web browser with Tabs was InternetWorks in 1994

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Its the engine that it usually fell short on. So I look forward to it being able to innovate without having to constantly fix their javascript support.

http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/does-your-browser-behave.html ...perhaps the js compliance of Opera engine was just "too good" in an idealistic way.

Their engine has generally some good points, large part of why Opera is light on resources for example (most noticeable on older machines; also, this surely allowed them to host Opera Mini more easily - but maybe Webkit & present server hardware are now good enough for that)

Edited 2013-02-18 20:55 UTC

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

If Presto is the main thing that makes Opera special, then Opera has been in big trouble. After all, the main job of a browser is to show web sites, and Presto had major compatibility problems.

You are wrong, of course. People don't care about the engine. They care about the user experience and features.

Kicking the web in the nuts? How so? It wasn't really making it easier or harder for web developers because web developers mostly ignored Presto. Opera moving to WebKIt won't mean sh*t for the web because Presto doesn't mean anything.

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Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

If Presto is the main thing that makes Opera special, then Opera has been in big trouble. After all, the main job of a browser is to show web sites, and Presto had major compatibility problems.

You are wrong, of course. People don't care about the engine. They care about the user experience and features.

Kicking the web in the nuts? How so? It wasn't really making it easier or harder for web developers because web developers mostly ignored Presto. Opera moving to WebKIt won't mean sh*t for the web because Presto doesn't mean anything.

I don't know about how popular Opera was but I always felt Mozilla and Opera were the innovators of the web. So you can understand that when Opera announces they will be a follower from now on it feels like a kick in the nuts for me.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Opera moving to WebKIt won't mean sh*t for the web because Presto doesn't mean anything.

To be fair, it captured notable chunk of mobile browsing (but of course via Mini, so not a real browser with all expected features)

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

stopping development on the main thing that makes you special.

The only major thing that makes Opera Software special is (IMHO) Opera Mini, how it allows many more people to connect and/or lower the costs of doing that. It's certainly the only really popular Opera product.

And they don't stop development of Mini; also, nice thing about it: swapping of the engine can be done virtually transparently for users.

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J-freebsd_98 Member since:
2006-01-01

"stopping development on the main thing that makes you special.

The only major thing that makes Opera Software special is (IMHO) Opera Mini, how it allows many more people to connect and/or lower the costs of doing that. It's certainly the only really popular Opera product.

And they don't stop development of Mini; also, nice thing about it: swapping of the engine can be done virtually transparently for users.
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[I'm only including your comment in the reply to have a better written reply, not to disparage it...]
Counterpoint: not in all cases does special == popular. [My desktop browser in windows 98 > bsd v5 > bsd v6 > bsd v7 > bsdv8 > bsdv9 [presently] ... Opera, it consistenly loads quicker. lends to user customization, plays nice with tabs, does what one would expect... ]
I expect if/when I am forced to use a newer webkit version, if it isn't as stable/speedy, there would
be alternatives. But not looking forward to it.

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