Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow
by lucas_maximus on Thu 14th Feb 2013 09:17 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by ssokolow"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

And that is a problem ? IE6 was a problem for two reasons:

1) it was not developed anymore, meaning no progress
2) only available on a single platform

IE6 was all about locked-in, locking users on windows, and locking users on microsoft technologies. All of that is not possible with Webkit. Since it is LGPL, it cannot become proprietary, and, if Apple cannot prevent others to use Webkit on different platform, also Apple cannot stop progress, if Apple decides to stop development of Webkit, no problem, Google and Opera will carry on the work, and it will give them a competitive advantage over Apple. This is the major difference between IE6 and Webkit, one was blocking progress, the other one cannot.


You are still missing the point. It is a mono-culture of Webkit and there are loads of incompatible forks.

Incompatible forks means lots of fragmentation. Fragmentation is a nightmare for developers.

Also if your browser isn't webkit based on mobile, well your browser won't work with a huge number of mobile sites.

Shame on developers for developing website that works in real life instead of developing website that would work in a theoretical world...

That said, there is still the need for a good specification to make sure that rendering does not get broken across version of webkit. And that is an area where Opera is a very welcomed addition to the webkit world, they have always been the best at respecting the specification.


The standard is moot if everyone treats webkit as the de-facto standard. The Standard becomes webkit ... the same complaints are made about Microsoft Office not supporting ODF.

Edited 2013-02-14 09:18 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by Tony Swash on Thu 14th Feb 2013 10:59 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
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2009-08-22


The standard is moot if everyone treats webkit as the de-facto standard. The Standard becomes webkit ... the same complaints are made about Microsoft Office not supporting ODF.


I don't really understand what you are complaining about or indeed what you want to happen instead.

You seem to be saying that having a single open source non-proprietry standard engine for the web upon which anybody can build different types of browsers is in itself a bad idea.

Why?

Isn't that exactly the best way to do things. Don't you think it is worse for the web, for users, for developers and for web site authors to be faced with multiple render engines, some of which only exist so that a single company can claim a stake in the web.

Compared to all other models of how one might go about ensuring a standards based and open web I cannot see what is wrong with the Webkit model.

Personally I hope all the alternatives to webkit die and die soon.

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RE[9]: Comment by ssokolow
by lucas_maximus on Thu 14th Feb 2013 11:17 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I don't really understand what you are complaining about or indeed what you want to happen instead.


No obviously you don't.

You don't seem to care about there are thousands of incompatible forks of webkit that all implement the standards incorrectly.

Also this says nothing about the JavaScript interpreters which there are more than 6 or 7 different interpreter in the wild, which aren't tied to the Webkit engine.

Let alone all the application frameworks that are using (incompatible) versions of Webkit (SmartTV SDK versions on its own is different enough).

Then we have even in the same browser version on different operating systems.

Safari (last time I checked) works differently on Windows than it does on MacOSX and probably works differently on iOS ... that is fragmentation in the same bloody code base.

Then we have projects that want to start using HTML 5 and JS in their desktop frameworks (QML, Metro, GTK), which won't be webkit.

So instead of having a nice set of reusable tools that I could use on any project that is HTML and JS, I have to a slight hack for each platform.

Webkit isn't a browser, it is just one component of. Much like Linux is one component of a Linux distro.

History is repeating itself again, but it okay this time because Microsoft doesn't come out on top.

Edited 2013-02-14 11:27 UTC

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