Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by Tony Swash on Thu 14th Feb 2013 10:59 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22


The standard is moot if everyone treats webkit as the de-facto standard. The Standard becomes webkit ... the same complaints are made about Microsoft Office not supporting ODF.


I don't really understand what you are complaining about or indeed what you want to happen instead.

You seem to be saying that having a single open source non-proprietry standard engine for the web upon which anybody can build different types of browsers is in itself a bad idea.

Why?

Isn't that exactly the best way to do things. Don't you think it is worse for the web, for users, for developers and for web site authors to be faced with multiple render engines, some of which only exist so that a single company can claim a stake in the web.

Compared to all other models of how one might go about ensuring a standards based and open web I cannot see what is wrong with the Webkit model.

Personally I hope all the alternatives to webkit die and die soon.

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RE[9]: Comment by ssokolow
by lucas_maximus on Thu 14th Feb 2013 11:17 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I don't really understand what you are complaining about or indeed what you want to happen instead.


No obviously you don't.

You don't seem to care about there are thousands of incompatible forks of webkit that all implement the standards incorrectly.

Also this says nothing about the JavaScript interpreters which there are more than 6 or 7 different interpreter in the wild, which aren't tied to the Webkit engine.

Let alone all the application frameworks that are using (incompatible) versions of Webkit (SmartTV SDK versions on its own is different enough).

Then we have even in the same browser version on different operating systems.

Safari (last time I checked) works differently on Windows than it does on MacOSX and probably works differently on iOS ... that is fragmentation in the same bloody code base.

Then we have projects that want to start using HTML 5 and JS in their desktop frameworks (QML, Metro, GTK), which won't be webkit.

So instead of having a nice set of reusable tools that I could use on any project that is HTML and JS, I have to a slight hack for each platform.

Webkit isn't a browser, it is just one component of. Much like Linux is one component of a Linux distro.

History is repeating itself again, but it okay this time because Microsoft doesn't come out on top.

Edited 2013-02-14 11:27 UTC

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RE[10]: Comment by ssokolow
by cdude on Thu 14th Feb 2013 15:21 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by ssokolow"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

You don't seem to care about there are thousands of incompatible forks of webkit that all implement the standards incorrectly.


And how would that be different with n completely different rendering-engines? I will tell you: since WebKit is LGPL all the work done on WebKit is open sourced and so everybody can use, can upgrade, can move on to invent in the WebKit world.

See what Opera just did and why they did. They will now be closer to the web, have a lesser fragmented web, incooperate changew like fixes or new features faster, improve compatibility. How would that be better with sticking with Presto? It wouldn't.

Also this says nothing about the JavaScript interpreters which there are more than 6 or 7 different interpreter in the wild, which aren't tied to the Webkit engine.


They are using V8. In reality WebKit has only 2 Javascript engines. Those JavascriptCore based on KJS and V8. Opera picked V8.


Let alone all the application frameworks that are using (incompatible) versions of Webkit (SmartTV SDK versions on its own is different enough).


No, its WebCore plus glue. Still the same.


Then we have even in the same browser version on different operating systems.


How evil!!!1!


Safari (last time I checked) works differently on Windows than it does on MacOSX and probably works differently on iOS ... that is fragmentation in the same bloody code base.


I don't know when you tried last but since some years there is no difference except for maybe fonts depending on the OS.


Then we have projects that want to start using HTML 5 and JS in their desktop frameworks (QML, Metro, GTK), which won't be webkit.


No shit sherlock. Metro doesn't use WebKit? That's an agument contra WebKit! Come on.

QML isn't a browser neither is GTK.


Webkit isn't a browser, it is just one component of. Much like Linux is one component of a Linux distro.


No, it isn't a browser but "WebKit is an open source web browser engine." - from webkit.org

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