Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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RE[6]: Comment by ssokolow
by cdude on Thu 14th Feb 2013 15:25 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by ssokolow"
cdude
Member since:
2008-09-21

Fact is Firefox, Chrome are both way more secure then IE. Fact is Firefox, Chrome, both implement WebGL, IE doesn't. So?

And come on, Microsoft crying about WebGL security while doing ActiveX and Silverlight can't be taken serious.

For native, direct access to hardware. Compiled Javascript, eg V8 and WebCoreScript, native code, all do. Its not magic but pretty standard.

Edited 2013-02-14 15:29 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow
by lucas_maximus on Thu 14th Feb 2013 17:34 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by ssokolow"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Fact is Firefox, Chrome are both way more secure then IE. Fact is Firefox, Chrome, both implement WebGL, IE doesn't. So?


Conjecture. I wonder why we have our browsers patched by every company with security vunerabilities. Nothing is secure and WebGL is insecure by design as the article states, IF YOU ACTUALLY READ IT!

And come on, Microsoft crying about WebGL security while doing ActiveX and Silverlight can't be taken serious.


ActiveX is off these days by default unless it is a trusted plugin, much like flash. I suspect silverlight is the same. This isn't 2004 anymore.

Find arguments that aren't over 8 years old please.

The biggest security thread to browsers has been the Java Plugin for years now.

For native, direct access to hardware. Compiled Javascript, eg V8 and WebCoreScript, native code, all do. Its not magic but pretty standard.


From the penetration testing company, which I dunno actually make money doing this stuff.

It would be unreasonable to expect full conformance to the complete specification of a new standard: there are always likely to be edge cases. But, as we have stressed before, some areas of WebGL need to be carefully implemented to prevent security issues arising and unfortunately in this case, because security-related conformance tests are not clearly identified, it is not possible to determine if an implementation is secure. This has been a contributory factor in security issues being missed by developers of the current browser implementations of WebGL, which has in turn created serious security flaws. Browser developers should start banning non-conformant configurations as they are identified until the security issues that have been highlighted are resolved.

Context therefore recommends that users and system administrators disable WebGL.


Sorry I am going to take a penetration testing companies' word over yours.

Edited 2013-02-14 17:36 UTC

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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by cdude on Fri 15th Feb 2013 00:12 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Come on. We all, that have a little technical knowledge, know Microsoft spreads its usual FUD.

http://games.greggman.com/game/webgl-security-and-microsoft-bullshi...

http://blog.jprosevear.org/2011/05/13/webgl-security/

http://www.khronos.org/webgl/security/#Conclusion

And for your Silverlight case. This is brand new Microsoft technology that does EXACT the same WebGL does but only on Windows. Lock-in. Its in Windows Phone 7 and its in Windows Phone 8.

Also you not seem to know that IE10 uses an hw-accelerated canvas. Security danger!!!1!

Edited 2013-02-15 00:16 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow
by Nelson on Thu 14th Feb 2013 18:43 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by ssokolow"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Silverlight adds an additional layer of indirection to the graphics card API calls.

WebGL is little more than a way to marshal OpenGL calls from the browser to the graphics card through JavaScript.

Silverlight can be disabled, uninstalled, black listed, etc

Silverlight includes protection against 3D driver DOS and even black lists graphics card known to exhibit this problem, putting pressure on graphics card developers.

Does WebGL do anything of the sort? No.

Let's face it, WebGL is a proprietary API brainchild of the Kronos Group who are not a standard setting organization and WebGL is not ubiquitous both in install base or in use on websites, so it is not afforded its standard status through those means either.

This is akin to Microsoft introducing WebDX and claiming it to be a 3D web standard by their own fiat.

And yet, since its not Microsoft, people like you will rush to find a justification, ANY justification for this steaming pile of shit.

It is beyond me how some people can be as egotistic to claim that Microsoft should implement a standard to their web browser, which ships by default on Windows, and thus has an installed base of hundreds of millions of peple, especially when its not a standard at all, and hasn't been properly vetted for security.

People can draw false equivalencies all day about Silverlight and WebGL, but the FACT is that Microsoft has NEVER pushed Silverlight INTO the browser. Its always been a plugin. Microsoft is NOT forcing or lobbying to have Silverlight become a standard of the web.

Stop the bullshit lies.

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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by lucas_maximus on Thu 14th Feb 2013 19:11 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Thank-you very much for explaining it better than I could.

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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by PresentIt on Thu 14th Feb 2013 19:41 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Actually, WebGL is a standard agreed on by multiple browser vendors, and others.

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RE[8]: Comment by ssokolow
by cdude on Fri 15th Feb 2013 00:24 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by ssokolow"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Let's face it, WebGL is a proprietary API


Lets face it, WebGL is supported by all browsers except IE :-)


It is beyond me how some people can be as egotistic to claim that Microsoft should implement a standard to their web browser


Yes, we got the memo. Microsoft isn't implementing common standards but are defining there incompatible uncommon own ones. Interoperability is bad for vendor-lockin. We know.


FACT is that Microsoft has NEVER pushed Silverlight INTO the browser. Its always been a plugin. Microsoft is NOT forcing or lobbying to have Silverlight become a standard of the web.


Yes, otherwise Silverlight would need to become interoperable between browsers and platforms and that goes against the plan. We know. We know.

Nelson, we again agree on something!

Edited 2013-02-15 00:28 UTC

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