Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Feb 2013 21:18 UTC
Microsoft "Although Bill Gates stepped away from his day-to-day role at Microsoft nearly five years ago, he still keeps a close eye on the company he co-founded - and he isn't always happy with what he sees. During a recent interview broadcast this morning on CBS This Morning, the Microsoft chairman was asked by Charlie Rose whether he was happy with Steve Ballmer's performance as chief executive. Noting that there have been 'many amazing things' accomplished under Ballmer's leadership in the past couple of years, Gates said he was not satisfied with the company's innovations." It's impossible to deny by this point that Microsoft hasn't done well in mobile. It would be more surprising if Gates had denied it.
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RE[2]: Comment by lucas_maximus
by lucas_maximus on Mon 18th Feb 2013 23:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by lucas_maximus"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

I don't know, they probably already do. Why don't you ask Microsoft rather than me ... they are probably a better source of their recruiting policies than I.

FFS, do I really have to explain this to the full extent.

The IBM comment is about how massive tech companies fade away but are still there working in the background.

This is what I think will happen eventually to Microsoft.

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bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12

I think IBM is doing very well. Projects such as Watson are very interesting plus they've always been huge in research.

MS has talented people but bad management.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I am not saying they aren't doing well. But Microsoft in the 80s and 90s had massive growth, like google did at the turn of the century.

IBM doesn't have that, but it still there and it still making money.

I think Microsoft will become more like that.

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sgtrock Member since:
2011-05-13

IBM fading away?? Let's compare financial returns between IBM and Microsoft for the past 10 years, shall we?

https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=Lin...

Looks to me like Microsoft is the one that's fading, not IBM. While Microsoft has been essentially devolving into a two trick pony (Windows/Office on the desktop and Windows/SQL Server in the datacenter), IBM has an incredible range of successes over the same period. You just don't hear about them much unless you work in or near datacenters. That has been their historical strength and they continue to do some really nifty stuff there. By contrast, Microsoft is in danger of seeing all of its markets erode away.

In the broadly defined personal device market, they are in real trouble. They no longer have the #1 OS by marketshare, and by the middle of this year they won't even have the #1 installed base. Android has grown that fast and that big. Microsoft is going to have to retreat into the enterprise and watch the consumer market evolve away from them. Ironic, when the source of their greatest strength in their early days were people sneaking in their own PCs to get work done that the datacenter guys didn't have time or inclination to do!

Meanwhile, the SQL Server/Windows Server combination is coming under attack from multiple directions. The supercomputer and mainframe battles were lost long ago. IIS never had a chance in the Internet facing space, although it was frequently the webserver of choice inside firewalls. That's changing rapidly, though. The SOHO market is being lost to external hosting providers building upon open source solutions. Even the bigger companies are moving more and more work off Microsoft solutions to Linux based ones. And, since IBM has been supporting FLOSS solutions across their entire hardware line for more than a decade, they are ready, willing, and able to take that business away from Microsoft.

Nope, if you're looking for a company that's fading away, you're looking in the wrong direction. Microsoft is the one that's in trouble, not IBM.

Edited 2013-02-19 01:41 UTC

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tanzam75 Member since:
2011-05-19

IBM fading away?? Let's compare financial returns between IBM and Microsoft for the past 10 years, shall we?


You have plotted IBM's stock price against MSFT's stock price. That tells you nothing about how well the company has done financially. All it does is indicate how the stock market perceives each company.

Since the end of 2007, IBM's stock price has clearly outperformed MSFT's.

However, when you look at actual financial performance, you see something quite different. Microsoft's financial results have clearly outperformed IBM's over the past ten years.

Operating income, net income, dividends, net cash, you name it. On all of these bottom-line metrics, Microsoft has done better than IBM over the past ten years.

Here, have a look for yourself:

IBM's annual reports: http://www.ibm.com/annualreport/
Microsoft's annual reports: http://www.microsoft.com/investor/AnnualReports/default.aspx

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

They wasn't the power they was back in the 50s and 60s ... where IBM was its own country essentially.

I am sure they are doing well today. But they aren't what they were before the personal computer revolution.

Edited 2013-02-19 08:19 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

** Duplicate **

Edited 2013-02-19 08:13 UTC

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

FFS, do I really have to explain this to the full extent.

The IBM comment is about how massive tech companies fade away but are still there working in the background.


FFS do I have to explain that IBM is not the example to go to, since they are coming back in a big way.

They're no longer a player in the desktop market, but what they do is hardly background anymore.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

In the 50s and 60s IBM was massive. There is a few documentaries on Youtube about it.

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BeamishBoy Member since:
2010-10-27

I don't know, they probably already do. Why don't you ask Microsoft rather than me ... they are probably a better source of their recruiting policies than I.


For what it's worth, Microsoft's research division is very impressive. The output of Microsoft Research here in Cambridge alone over the past decade has been immense.

It's also been immensely varied: innovative use of Bayesian nets, reinforcement learning and multi-agent algorithms, functional programming (principally via Don Syme and F#), etc. Really, really talented people.

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