Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Feb 2013 21:18 UTC
Microsoft "Although Bill Gates stepped away from his day-to-day role at Microsoft nearly five years ago, he still keeps a close eye on the company he co-founded - and he isn't always happy with what he sees. During a recent interview broadcast this morning on CBS This Morning, the Microsoft chairman was asked by Charlie Rose whether he was happy with Steve Ballmer's performance as chief executive. Noting that there have been 'many amazing things' accomplished under Ballmer's leadership in the past couple of years, Gates said he was not satisfied with the company's innovations." It's impossible to deny by this point that Microsoft hasn't done well in mobile. It would be more surprising if Gates had denied it.
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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Tue 19th Feb 2013 16:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

A 16GB OS footprint for a tablet does suck. It's simply unacceptable.

The issue has never been that Microsoft are unable to progress, it's that their progress has been significantly slower than their competition. And why this is I don't know because Microsoft Research come out with some awesome technology.


Is it really? I know this is heresy on OSNews, but people do actually embrace cloud computing in real life.

I personally store all my photos on SkyDrive. Take a photo on my phone, have it automatically replicate on my Tablet, Desktop PC, and Xbox 360. I was grandfathered in so I have 25GB of additional space for my pictures, videos, and documents.

As for music, I've never really been a music junky to have gigabytes and gigabytes of music, and to be honest, I don't think most people are either.

My mom usually puts Pandora on and lets that play through. I tend to do the same, I simply don't see the need in purchasing that much music or ripping my entire CD collection to my tablet for the hell of it.

But your point is taken, Windows is still too big and has a ways to go, and that will only happen when we can reduce further the dependency hell that sometimes manifests itself, and reduce the need for side by side deployment of libraries.

However I don't think there's denying that a few years ago the thought of Windows on a tablet was a pipedream.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Laurence on Tue 19th Feb 2013 17:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Is it really? I know this is heresy on OSNews, but people do actually embrace cloud computing in real life.

Some do. Some like to have local copies of their content. Like videos to watch on the train to dull the pain of their daily commute.

As for music, I've never really been a music junky to have gigabytes and gigabytes of music, and to be honest, I don't think most people are either.

If that was the case then the early iPods, with their microdisks, would never have taken off.

Plus what about movies? (see my point above).

But your point is taken, Windows is still too big and has a ways to go, and that will only happen when we can reduce further the dependency hell that sometimes manifests itself, and reduce the need for side by side deployment of libraries.

Indeed. Backwards compatibility is a double edged sward.

However I don't think there's denying that a few years ago the thought of Windows on a tablet was a pipedream.

Microsoft have had Windows tablets since the early days of XP. Probably before then - that was just when I first took an interest in tablets.

It's just back then the UI was lousy (or, to be more accurate, it was lousy for the tablet paradigm). To be completely honest, I think Metro is also a lousy UI (I hated it when I was running Win Phone) but I'll happily concede that's just my personal preference.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Tue 19th Feb 2013 17:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Some do. Some like to have local copies of their content. Like videos to watch on the train to dull the pain of their daily commute.


Which is fair, and you can. Some people do by renting or buying movies from Xbox Video, or ripping off of a DVD, or something.

For others who don't do this as often, Netflix or Hulu or YouTube or just private cloud versions of their videos work fine.

Me, personally, I do more music on the go than video on the go, but then again, its almost always using my phone which has an LTE connection and streaming Pandora isn't an issue.

Again, YMMV as it does with most things like this, but my point I guess, is that while they are legitimate issues, they are less impactful than might be suggested.

I just don't think tablets can reasonably accommodate a storage junkie on any platform. SSDs for tablets don't go up much farther than 128GB (unless I'm wrong, is there a tablet with 256GB) so for people with like 100GB of music and videos, it will present a problem.



If that was the case then the early iPods, with their microdisks, would never have taken off.

Plus what about movies? (see my point above).


Funny thing, a lot of the iPods I saw (including my own) never really reached capacity on even just an 80GB unit. And iPod Touches never really had that much space, but were still successful (as successful as the dwindling sector can be)


Indeed. Backwards compatibility is a double edged sward.


Thankfully the Windows Store solves this DLL hell with versioning as a forethought instead of an afterthought.

I think maybe after the first interim release of Windows with some decent improvements to WinRT and an expansion of the kinds of Windows Store apps you can write should make Metro a lot more palatable to people.


Microsoft have had Windows tablets since the early days of XP. Probably before then - that was just when I first took an interest in tablets.

It's just back then the UI was lousy (or, to be more accurate, it was lousy for the tablet paradigm). To be completely honest, I think Metro is also a lousy UI (I hated it when I was running Win Phone) but I'll happily concede that's just my personal preference.


I had a Windows Slate back in the day, but they were clunky and slow and ugly (but great pen support, MSFT has always been consistently ahead here) and I don't even classify them as "Tablets" as we know them today.

But just think before Windows 8. Conventional wisdom was that Windows was too slow, or too heavy, or whatever to run on small devices with resource constraints. That's wildly different than today, and its thanks to the disciplines put in place during Windows 7 that carried over to Windows 8.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by zima on Sat 23rd Feb 2013 13:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

>As for music, I've never really been a music junky to have gigabytes and gigabytes of music, and to be honest, I don't think most people are either.

If that was the case then the early iPods, with their microdisks, would never have taken off.

They hardly taken off, really. iPod became big only with later, smaller-storage models: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by twitterfire on Tue 19th Feb 2013 17:34 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
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2008-09-11


However I don't think there's denying that a few years ago the thought of Windows on a tablet was a pipedream.

Lol, you maybe live on Mars. ;) Windows is on tablets since 2002. If you don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Tue 19th Feb 2013 17:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Those are not tablets as we know them today.

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RE[3]: Comment by Nelson
by Fergy on Tue 19th Feb 2013 20:51 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Nelson"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Is it really? I know this is heresy on OSNews, but people do actually embrace cloud computing in real life.

I have a 1GB data limit(on my phone)per month in the Netherlands. Bye bye cloud computing. At home I can go easily 100+GB.

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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Tue 19th Feb 2013 21:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

1GB of data will be spent during even casual browsing and media playback, I think you have a bigger issue on your hands than Windows 8. I'd look into switching carriers, that's ridiculous.

But I hear your point, and it isn't a perfect solution. Some apps (I think the SkyDrive app included) are conscious of mobile plans, data caps, and roaming because of WinRT APIs and become more conservative with data bandwidth accordingly.

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