Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Feb 2013 21:18 UTC
Microsoft "Although Bill Gates stepped away from his day-to-day role at Microsoft nearly five years ago, he still keeps a close eye on the company he co-founded - and he isn't always happy with what he sees. During a recent interview broadcast this morning on CBS This Morning, the Microsoft chairman was asked by Charlie Rose whether he was happy with Steve Ballmer's performance as chief executive. Noting that there have been 'many amazing things' accomplished under Ballmer's leadership in the past couple of years, Gates said he was not satisfied with the company's innovations." It's impossible to deny by this point that Microsoft hasn't done well in mobile. It would be more surprising if Gates had denied it.
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RE[6]: integration
by Laurence on Wed 20th Feb 2013 00:42 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: integration"
Laurence
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Xbox needs an app store. Maybe this will all tie into that. Hopefully. Xbox has the potential to disrupt gaming and do for games what the phone app stores did for normal software development: Democratize it.

It wouldn't be much of a disruption as Microsoft have already been beaten to that goal at least twice before:

* Nintendo already did that on the Wii. Not just for professional games either, but home brew as well.

* The Dreamcast also did this, but to a far less sophisticated level (but back then the vast majority of people were still on dial up, so the DC still deserves some kudos)

I will grant you that the Dreamcast (as awesome as it was), didn't take off, and the Wii isn't really a "gamers console", but even so, it's already been done.

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RE[7]: integration
by Nelson on Wed 20th Feb 2013 01:01 in reply to "RE[6]: integration"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Sure, but this isn't really about "Firsts" its about who executes it well.

The fact that I didn't even know this was true about Wii should say a lot. Its a great idea, I just think it needs something on a grand sale.

Imagine writing a Windows Store app and having it work across Windows Phone, Windows, and Xbox with minimal changes and a streamlined unified submission and commerce system.

That'd be a disruption. Look at how other phones did touch prior to the iPhone, but it took the iPhone to radically change the direction of the consumer smartphone market.

Another example is Danger with the Sidekicks. (and before someone points it out Linux distros and other OSes had repositories which still are great) With Sidekicks they had an App store of sorts prior to Apple but it really took Apple to set the framework for how most app stores will be run in the future.

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RE[8]: integration
by Laurence on Wed 20th Feb 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[7]: integration"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Sure, but this isn't really about "Firsts" its about who executes it well.

Both the Dreamcast and Wii are well executed.


The fact that I didn't even know this was true about Wii should say a lot. Its a great idea, I just think it needs something on a grand sale.

It is on a grand scale on the Wii. The only way you wouldn't know about Wii's store would be if you have never taken your Wii online or don't own a Wii - which in either case, that's your adding bias to skew your opinion in favour of Microsoft.


Imagine writing a Windows Store app and having it work across Windows Phone, Windows, and Xbox with minimal changes and a streamlined unified submission and commerce system.

That'd be a disruption.

I'd already voiced my opinion about that with XNA. The real question is will MS ever pull their finger out of their arse and actually do that?

They have a history of badly uniting their hardware ranges and I'm not convinced that Win8 does a better job than their past attempts, but only time will tell ;)


Look at how other phones did touch prior to the iPhone, but it took the iPhone to radically change the direction of the consumer smartphone market.

You mean like the LG Prada for example?

That "revolution" would have happened with or without Apple. After all, we already had similar interfaces on other embedded devices (eg TomToms), multi-touch hardware had been prototyped for years in labs and most people used their finger as a stylus for basic tasks on even the more fiddly WinCE interfaces. So it was just a matter of the technology being released (ie capacitive touch screen) to make the final step viable. Once that happened, a number of technology firms were making the switch - Apple just being one of them.

But as always, history is written by the victors; so everyone thinks Apple invented touch screen phones...


Another example is Danger with the Sidekicks. (and before someone points it out Linux distros and other OSes had repositories which still are great) With Sidekicks they had an App store of sorts prior to Apple but it really took Apple to set the framework for how most app stores will be run in the future.

It took Apple to popularise it. Sony Ericsson's had app stores years before the iPhone but back then bandwidth was very expensive so few people wanted to waste it downloading games and themes when they could just pirate it on their home internet connection.

I do agree that the iPhone did a grand job of taking a number of existing ideas and marketing and popularising them. and in business, that's the number 1 priority (sales > originality). But since we're talking about technology and innovation rather than a companies ability to sell a product, Apple were not the pioneers of the vast majority of the technology they (and many others) claim Apple invented.

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RE[7]: integration
by zima on Sat 23rd Feb 2013 13:37 in reply to "RE[6]: integration"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

>Xbox needs an app store. Maybe this will all tie into that. Hopefully. Xbox has the potential to disrupt gaming and do for games what the phone app stores did for normal software development: Democratize it.
It wouldn't be much of a disruption as Microsoft have already been beaten to that goal at least twice before:

* Nintendo already did that on the Wii. Not just for professional games either, but home brew as well.

* The Dreamcast also did this, but to a far less sophisticated level (but back then the vast majority of people were still on dial up, so the DC still deserves some kudos)

I will grant you that the Dreamcast (as awesome as it was), didn't take off, and the Wii isn't really a "gamers console", but even so, it's already been done.

I don't recall anything like that for the Dreamcast ...was it for software running on its memory cards? Japan-only?

And Nintendo is notoriously unfriendly to indies...

Either way, it would still be a disruption, when on the scale of likely future Xbox ecosystem.

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