Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Feb 2013 18:18 UTC, submitted by twitterfire
Games Late last night, Sony unveiled the PlayStation 4 - sort of. It's got a custom 8-core AMD x86-64 processor, 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, and a custom Radeon-based graphics chip. It's also got additional chips to offload specific tasks like video (de)compression (livestreaming is built-in!), and there's a large focus on streaming games, but most of it is "an ultimate goal" instead of a definitive feature. It won't play PS3 discs (but will eventually stream many PS3 games), and, while there's some weaselwording involved, second hand games are safe. The biggest surprise? The console itself wasn't shown because it's not done yet. No joke. No price, no release date (other than somewhere before the holidays).
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my take
by FunkyELF on Thu 21st Feb 2013 18:35 UTC
FunkyELF
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2006-07-26

The obscurity of the Cell Broadband processor and the fact that they originally let you run Linux on it slowed down the hacking of the PS3.

The x86 in this thing will make it much more attractive for hackers. They'll want to get Windows booting on it and play PC games. Or Linux now that Steam is on there.
Surely Sony will employ some kind of secure-boot UEFI to prevent this from happening.

As a side note, I wasn't impressed with gameplay footage.

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RE: my take
by twitterfire on Thu 21st Feb 2013 18:48 in reply to "my take"
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2008-09-11


The x86 in this thing will make it much more attractive for hackers. They'll want to get Windows booting on it and play PC games. Or Linux now that Steam is on there.

Even if the CPU and GPU are made by AMD, they are custom. So no Windows and Linux on it unless you have drivers.

The hardware will be very good and and probably it won't be very expensive, I see the reason why some guys might want to use PS4 as a regular PC.

Edited 2013-02-21 18:51 UTC

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RE[2]: my take
by tylerdurden on Thu 21st Feb 2013 20:29 in reply to "RE: my take"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

I would be interested in knowing about the OS this thing (PS4) uses. I can't imagine Sony coming up with a custom x86 OS, from the ground up, for this thing.

It sucks for AMD though. They could be having some cool APU-based tablets/latops running on DDR5... alas, it's not "comoditized" enough in the PC space (yet).

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RE[2]: my take
by ThomasFuhringer on Fri 22nd Feb 2013 10:30 in reply to "RE: my take"
ThomasFuhringer Member since:
2007-01-25

If they put something like Boot Camp on it I could use it as my PC. They could even sell that piece of software to make up for the subsidy on the hardware and it would make sense for many consumers.

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RE: my take
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 21st Feb 2013 18:49 in reply to "my take"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Don't judge game footage off a stream.

Other than that, compare an early-gen Xbox 360 game to a late-gen one. World of difference.

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RE[2]: my take
by Wafflez on Thu 21st Feb 2013 20:06 in reply to "RE: my take"
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2011-06-26

Gears of War: Judgement looks awesome indeed, especially with render filters (like dust in first act).

Next gen games will look incredible, despite "qq my pc is fasterz".

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RE: my take
by Drumhellar on Thu 21st Feb 2013 18:50 in reply to "my take"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

The original XBox being x86 led to some awesome stuff.
XBMC is a prime example of cool stuff that console hackers did.

Of course, since familiarity of the platform will make hacking easier, it may also make rampant piracy an issue...
Just like the original XBox.

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RE: my take
by thegman on Sat 23rd Feb 2013 11:39 in reply to "my take"
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2007-01-30

For me it's quite the opposite, the Cell made it attractive as a "tinkering" device. I can tinker with x86 any time I like.

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RE[2]: my take
by noelrobichaud on Sat 23rd Feb 2013 12:35 in reply to "RE: my take"
noelrobichaud Member since:
2013-02-22

I agree that the Cell broadband processor was an interest to myself as well. I was disappointing that the architecture was not more accessible and friendly.

You were able to purchase a Blade Server built around Cell, but nothing came of it.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-9940771-64.html
This laptop from Toshiba looked incredible and very accessible, but talk about vaporware!

As for the revealed PS4 spec, I believe that most of use here cannot appreciate how powerful our computers are because of the mundane tasks we push at them, but when you do not refine the operating system for pure performance, that is exactly what you get - mundane.

The PS3 is not a general use operating environment, it is a media centric device that was purpose built.

I am hopeful and optimistic that Sony will do what is right for the PS4 and for their bottom line.

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