Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 27th Feb 2013 22:42 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "Firefox OS could actually be wildly successful, no matter how underwhelming the actual phones may be. And that's because - at least for now - you're not the customer; your carrier is." I'm extremely disappointed by Firefox OS so far. There's nothing wrong with the low-end hardware we've seen during MWC, but there is something wrong with low-end hardware that can't even properly run its operating system. To make matters worse, carriers are the boss here. Terrible first impression.
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What else is new?
by moondevil on Thu 28th Feb 2013 08:32 UTC
moondevil
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2005-07-08

People tend to have this utopia idea that carriers can be circumvented, but as long as they have anything to say that is very hard thing to do.

Only on countries were people tend to prefer pre-pay to contracts this is somehow possible, but people need to be able to buy the handsets, which tend to be quite expensive nowadays.

So if the choice is between a carrier specific firmware or very expensive standard firmware, many people will pick the carrier one.

Given my experience in telecommunications I can assure the situation will never change, regardless of what a few geeks might wish for.

Get prepared for the myriad of discussions about FirefoxOS being fractured and updates only available in certain devices.

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RE: What else is new?
by WereCatf on Thu 28th Feb 2013 09:18 in reply to "What else is new?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

People tend to have this utopia idea that carriers can be circumvented, but as long as they have anything to say that is very hard thing to do.

Only on countries were people tend to prefer pre-pay to contracts this is somehow possible, but people need to be able to buy the handsets, which tend to be quite expensive nowadays.

So if the choice is between a carrier specific firmware or very expensive standard firmware, many people will pick the carrier one.


Don't assume that your experiences cover even most of the world. Here in Finland, for example, carriers generally sell their phones completely unlocked even if you sign for a 2-year contract, you are also given the possibility of just buying the phone outright and going for a pay-as-you-go contract if you so choose, and I'm not aware of any operator bothering to make custom firmwares.

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RE[2]: What else is new?
by moondevil on Thu 28th Feb 2013 09:34 in reply to "RE: What else is new?"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Don't assume that your experiences cover even most of the world.


My experience around the world is based on my former employer right there in Espoo at Karaportti campus, from 2004 to 2008.

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RE: What else is new?
by Lennie on Thu 28th Feb 2013 12:04 in reply to "What else is new?"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Also if I'm not mistaken with FirefoxOS only a small part of the firmware updates of the system is handled by the network operator.

They only handle the lowest parts (like kernel and base OS), Mozilla handles the rest (just like on the desktop automatic updates of Firefox).

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