Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Mar 2013 18:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "Canonical has today publicly confirmed that they are working on a new cross-platform displayer server for Ubuntu. Called 'Mir', the X Window Server replacement is tasked with 'enabling development of the next generation Unity'. Which, in yet another about-turn, is to be rebuilt in Qt/QML." It'll be used for all Ubuntu variants (phone, tablet, desktop), and the first version will be released come May.
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RE: NIH Syndrome!
by shmerl on Mon 4th Mar 2013 20:17 UTC in reply to "NIH Syndrome!"
shmerl
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2010-06-08

I'm not so sure we aren't getting any fragmentation problems here.

What about drivers development? Will their server share the same drivers with Wayland or not? If not, it's going to be a horrible fragmentation bordering on intentional diversion. Nvidia excused their lack of Wayland support with waiting for wider adoption. With this move by Canonical they just won't release it at all.

Of course if drivers could be shared - this can be avoided.

Edited 2013-03-04 20:19 UTC

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RE[2]: NIH Syndrome!
by intangible on Mon 4th Mar 2013 20:22 in reply to "RE: NIH Syndrome!"
intangible Member since:
2005-07-06

Ah, but that was my point, the vendors are already supporting Android's SurfaceFlinger, Mir is somewhat/mostly? compatible from the driver stand-point, so it actually reduces complexity if it gets adopted over X and Wayland (which has almost no vendor support yet).

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RE[2]: NIH Syndrome!
by Nelson on Mon 4th Mar 2013 20:23 in reply to "RE: NIH Syndrome!"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

More importantly, more drivers exist for SurfaceFlinger than exist for Wayland because of Android. If anything, Android is the standard, not Wayland.

Both are unproven, and its a big risk for Ubuntu, but lets not pretend like Wayland has critical mass or clout at this stage in the game.

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RE[3]: NIH Syndrome!
by shmerl on Mon 4th Mar 2013 20:27 in reply to "RE[2]: NIH Syndrome!"
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

I'm personally not interested in SurfaceFlinger in this context, since it has hard dependency on bionic.

Wayland and Mir have no adoption yet, but if they will rely on incompatible drivers, it will create totally unnecessary and very sick competition for drivers including on the desktop, since Canonical stated they plan to switch to Mir everywhere (desktop and mobile).

The sickness of this is well demonstrated by Android already.

Games developers will just shrug and say that Linux is way to messy to support, or they'll say they only support Mir (and not Wayland) and so on. Either way it sounds pretty unpleasant.

Edited 2013-03-04 20:31 UTC

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