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RE[3]: Finally
by WorknMan on Tue 5th Mar 2013 01:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Finally"
WorknMan
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Going forward I expect almost every new API out of MS to use WinRT.


Doesn't look like WinRT/Metro is really taking off on the desktop quite the way they hoped it would. So you reckon they'll toss that to the side and 'bet the company' on something else for Windows 9? If not, when are we getting fully-functional winRT versions of MS Office and Visual Studio? THAT is when I'll know that they're really serious.

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RE[4]: Finally
by Nelson on Tue 5th Mar 2013 02:00 in reply to "RE[3]: Finally"
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2005-11-29


Doesn't look like WinRT/Metro is really taking off on the desktop quite the way they hoped it would. So you reckon they'll toss that to the side and 'bet the company' on something else for Windows 9?


Well, I disagree with the notion that Windows 8 (which I assume you meant) isn't taking off. Its likely selling modestly at best, and at worst being held back by a couple of OEM conditions:

- Shortage of touch screen components and high costs
- Lack of a complete product range. The Windows lineup had holes in it. This was badly fumbled.
- Global economic conditions
- Elongated upgrade cycles for PCs.

The good news is that assuming OEMs can get their act together and put together some sub $1000 touch screen devices, then they'll have winners on their hands.

Windows 8 shines best with a touch screen and a lot of the models sold were decidedly non-touchscreen.


If not, when are we getting fully-functional winRT versions of MS Office and Visual Studio? THAT is when I'll know that they're really serious.


WinRT isn't there yet in a few places, but I agree with you they should port both apps. Especially Visual Studio.

Last time they did this, they ported large parts of VS to WPF. It greatly moved the ball forward towards them addressing architectural deficiencies in the platform while they were dogfooding WPF on such a massive scale.

But I think its important to separate WinRT, the technology, from what you perceive the reception of Windows 8 to be. Its like saying the DWM was going to be removed in Windows 7 because of people claiming Vista wasn't selling. That's not really how things work.

Prime example being WPF, it was never terribly successful, but the innovations in WPF eventually led to WinRT. These are game changing events.

WinRT has far reaching implications. Beyond Windows 8, beyond Metro, and changes the game for Windows.

It now has a first class, native, ABI safe, object oriented API. That's incredibly powerful.

They can describe APIs as Async operations with continuations and using stuff like generics and exceptions. Compare that to the mess that was classic COM.

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RE[5]: Finally
by WorknMan on Tue 5th Mar 2013 05:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Finally"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

WinRT has far reaching implications. Beyond Windows 8, beyond Metro, and changes the game for Windows.

It now has a first class, native, ABI safe, object oriented API. That's incredibly powerful.

They can describe APIs as Async operations with continuations and using stuff like generics and exceptions. Compare that to the mess that was classic COM.


Agree with you there, and I think it is a welcome improvement. But if they can't manage to build a desktop environment around it that doesn't suck ass, it's going to flop, just like WPF and Silverlight, albeit for different reasons.

Personally, I hope they continue to improve it and make Metro in Windows 9 something that is actually usable. Whoever it was that decided that right mouse button menus were no longer relevant, and that horizontal scrolling was a good idea on the desktop should be summarily executed. And I don't mean that figuratively either ;) In fact, we should put them into a lion's den, alongside the asshole at MS who invented the F-lock key, and then charge for admission.

Edited 2013-03-05 05:59 UTC

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