Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Mar 2013 11:54 UTC
Legal "The European Commission has imposed a EUR 561 million fine on Microsoft for failing to comply with its commitments to offer users a browser choice screen enabling them to easily choose their preferred web browser. In 2009, the Commission had made these commitments legally binding on Microsoft until 2014. In today's decision, the Commission finds that Microsoft failed to roll out the browser choice screen with its Windows 7 Service Pack 1 from May 2011 until July 2012. 15 million Windows users in the EU therefore did not see the choice screen during this period. Microsoft has acknowledged that the choice screen was not displayed during that time." Burn.
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Comment by ilovebeer
by ilovebeer on Wed 6th Mar 2013 18:03 UTC
ilovebeer
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2011-08-08

I think it's ridiculous anyone thinks users need a dedicated browser choice screen in the first place. If the default browser that comes bundled with your OS isn't for you, download an alternative and install it. A monkey wouldn't have any problem doing that.

What's next, will OS makers be forced to bundle every possible browser along with the OS? Why stop there? How about media players, ftp clients, ssh clients, image viewers, solitaire, you name it.

Some of this stuff is fruitier than a mai tai.

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RE: Comment by ilovebeer
by WorknMan on Thu 7th Mar 2013 02:02 in reply to "Comment by ilovebeer"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I think it's ridiculous anyone thinks users need a dedicated browser choice screen in the first place. If the default browser that comes bundled with your OS isn't for you, download an alternative and install it. A monkey wouldn't have any problem doing that.


LOL, it's these f--king liberals who are constantly bitching and whining about how people can't think for themselves, so we need the government to constantly step in and do that for them, instead of letting the market sort it out. In this case, IE lost its dominance not because of government interference, but because of actual competition, making the whole argument pointless.

Some people claim that the EU was 10 years too late in its decision, but I don't think anything the EU did or didn't do made much of a difference, esp since the browser choice screen wasn't even present for a long time.

Edited 2013-03-07 02:03 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by darknexus on Thu 7th Mar 2013 03:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

"I think it's ridiculous anyone thinks users need a dedicated browser choice screen in the first place. If the default browser that comes bundled with your OS isn't for you, download an alternative and install it. A monkey wouldn't have any problem doing that.


LOL, it's these f--king liberals who are constantly bitching and whining about how people can't think for themselves, so we need the government to constantly step in and do that for them, instead of letting the market sort it out. In this case, IE lost its dominance not because of government interference, but because of actual competition, making the whole argument pointless.
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This, precisely. I'd +100 you if I could. When will people learn that, when demand is high enough, there will eventually be a product that will rise to it? The only thing government interventions like this accomplish is to pay the lawyers which, upon reflection, is exactly what said lawyers desire. We wanted a web that wasn't dominated by Microsoft, and we got it not because governments fixed it, but because Mozilla and those like them provided a better product. Those better products balanced the market. It did take time, but we're far better off now than we would have been had anti-trust laws actually worked. If they had, we'd not have khtml, Firefox, Webkit, nor any of the amazing browsers we have today. There would have been no motivation to create them and even less to improve their progenitors. These amazing engines were born out a desire not to equal IE, but to be better than IE. This is as it should be.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Soulbender on Thu 7th Mar 2013 04:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

instead of letting the market sort it out


Because THAT works fscking great.
Blind faith in free market self-regulation is just as delusional as blind faith in government regulation.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by Alfman on Thu 7th Mar 2013 16:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

"LOL, it's these f--king liberals who are constantly bitching and whining about how people can't think for themselves, so we need the government to constantly step in and do that for them, instead of letting the market sort it out."

-100, but only to cancel out darknexus ;)

I'll grant you that government execution is often poor, but without any antitrust enforcement we'd be in a pretty sad state of affairs. It's not just about the anti-trust violations that end up in court, it's also about additional violations that would occur if they knew they could get away with it. For example, without the threat of government anti-trust regulation, microsoft could very well have insisted that manufacturing partners lock down x86 systems via UEFI secure boot and prohibit owner overrides, like they did with ARM.

The market can only work it out if the playing field is sufficiently level.

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RE[2]: Comment by ilovebeer
by JAlexoid on Thu 7th Mar 2013 16:34 in reply to "RE: Comment by ilovebeer"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

In this case, IE lost its dominance not because of government interference, but because of actual competition, making the whole argument pointless.


IE was holding on to it's majority stake even despite major marketing campaigns by Firefox. And it took another dominant power in another related market to actually push IE down. Competition? May be. Free market competition - definitely not.

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