Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Mar 2013 19:00 UTC
Microsoft One of the major lacking features in the newest Office: no Metro applications. In fact, the only reason Windows RT has a desktop at all is because the Office team was unable to create Metro applications in time for the release of Windows RT. I often thought this was a classic case of two important divisions within Microsoft not getting along and not being aligned, but now that I have my own Surface RT, I'm starting to realise that there's a far simpler, and thus more likely, explanation: Metro is simply not ready for anything serious - or for anything at all, really.
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RE: At least they look nice...
by ssokolow on Wed 6th Mar 2013 20:09 UTC in reply to "At least they look nice..."
ssokolow
Member since:
2010-01-21

As for early OS X, the only 'unusable' non-beta version was Cheetah. From Puma onwards it was more than usable. I have to endure Linux on an everyday basis for work so I think I'm a pretty good judge on usability.


A matter of taste somewhat. I personally think MacOS's usability took a nosedive with OSX and never fully recovered.

I run Lubuntu for my day-to-day work and find it very comfortable, but I still find myself looking fondly at the copy of System 7.5.3 (not even Platinum) running in my BasiliskII.

Instability and cooperative multitasking aside, the UI just had so much work put into it before Jobs started making changes by fiat.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Instability and cooperative multitasking aside, the UI just had so much work put into it before Jobs started making changes by fiat.


Other way around. OSX was NextStep. Jobs didn't remove things from Mac OS, he gradually added them back from Mac OS to OSX. Until there came a point where people had been living for years without certain Classic features and no one complained about them missing ( except john siracusa and you), so they stopped.

Stability and multitasking are much more important than the neat little UI flourishes that Mac OS had.

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

there is also the matter that a lot of times "usability" is confused with "stuff I'm used to"

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ssokolow Member since:
2010-01-21

Other way around. OSX was NextStep. Jobs didn't remove things from Mac OS, he gradually added them back from Mac OS to OSX. Until there came a point where people had been living for years without certain Classic features and no one complained about them missing ( except john siracusa and you), so they stopped.

Stability and multitasking are much more important than the neat little UI flourishes that Mac OS had.


I didn't say he removed things. I said he changed them.

I'm talking about things like replacing semi-iconographic titlebar buttons in a layout that inspired Windows 3.1 with gumdrop buttons or making irritating minor adjustments to how Finder works.

...the sort of things that irritate not just me but also my Mac-using friends.

As for stability and multitasking being important, why do you think I run a Lubuntu LTS release? I get a desktop that's stable once I update away known crashers in the 12.04 versions of PCManFM and LXPanel but also doesn't fight attempts to get the desktop i want the way OSX does.

Pre-OSX MacOS is downright primitive. What I'm saying is that, when I'm encountering it sparingly to play games like Escape Velocity in BasiliskII, I don't trip over the crashes or run into the shortcomings and I end up really feeling the polish and consistency in the UI that OSX has piddled away.

Edited 2013-03-07 08:14 UTC

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kryogenix Member since:
2008-01-06


A matter of taste somewhat. I personally think MacOS's usability took a nosedive with OSX and never fully recovered.


To a degree I think you're right. MacOS Classic had a very simple, elegant, sensible UI.

I think they should have simply refined the initial pre-aqua MacOS X Server release. It was more Mac-like but still had the NeXT awesomeness under the hood.


Instability and cooperative multitasking aside, the UI just had so much work put into it before Jobs started making changes by fiat.


Some changes weren't so bad. I liked the addition of the NeXT-style dock. The interface decorations were terribly ugly until 10.5. They made it look like a child's toy but the underlying concepts were great.

Nobody was complaining about the MacOS GUI in those days, it was the crufty OS underneath we wanted gone.

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