Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Mar 2013 11:54 UTC
Legal "The European Commission has imposed a EUR 561 million fine on Microsoft for failing to comply with its commitments to offer users a browser choice screen enabling them to easily choose their preferred web browser. In 2009, the Commission had made these commitments legally binding on Microsoft until 2014. In today's decision, the Commission finds that Microsoft failed to roll out the browser choice screen with its Windows 7 Service Pack 1 from May 2011 until July 2012. 15 million Windows users in the EU therefore did not see the choice screen during this period. Microsoft has acknowledged that the choice screen was not displayed during that time." Burn.
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RE[3]: Typical EU
by Kochise on Thu 7th Mar 2013 07:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Typical EU"
Kochise
Member since:
2006-03-03

OS architecture varies, from monolith to exo-kernel. It is understood that Windows, since "VMS" (NT4 then NT5 aka 2000) is mixed monolith-micro kernel. So it's hard to draw a line.

The Windows' file explorer could be seen as an application as well as Nautilus is under Gnome desktop. The "minimal" API for user interaction would stay the CLI (command line), the good ol' DOS way (cmd.exe) and the file explorer a win32 application that works as a GUI abstraction layer.

Then the file explorer could be diteched as well.

Otherwise you could tell that Internet Explorer is closely tied to the TCP/IP stack and also provide rendering falicity services as well (WebKit like) that could serve, say, Opera that just become a new UI above a web rendering engine.

Iiiiiifffff I was an operating system creator, I would wipe all that mess from the table (table flipper mode) and shout out loud : "Go fuck yourself, you anti-virus and internet browser scum, go scramble your own operating system !"

Mozilla started to take that way with its own OS, Chrome also. And if they want to let Opera and Microsoft, if not Norton and MacAfee, to enter their ecosystem, that's their own problem.

But I find rather strange that moaning third parties are imposing Microsoft to accept having his own OS defaced that way. The anti-trust towards OEM is something that must be prevented, like the UEFI mess, because the end user have no choice to get a computer OS free (OEM) or install something else on its hardware (UEFI).

But pluh-ease, this internet browser affair is so childish it leaves me puzzled. Users just have to seek for another web browser if the one provided with does not suit their tastes, many have done by themselves. Why EU should force Microsoft to do so ? If users are stupid, even to install a myriad of toolbars, while there is internet forums, wikis, dedicated press, that explain them not to and how to get rid of it, and they still not figure how ?

I'd sum it up in TWO words : natural - selection !

So kick Microsoft's ass on the OEM and UEFI ("security") stuffs, but sorry, you won't get my hand up on the internet browser case.

Kochise

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RE[4]: Typical EU
by JAlexoid on Thu 7th Mar 2013 16:44 in reply to "RE[3]: Typical EU"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

But pluh-ease, this internet browser affair is so childish it leaves me puzzled. Users just have to seek for another web browser if the one provided with does not suit their tastes, many have done by themselves. Why EU should force Microsoft to do so ?


It's childish because "someone" has not read the reasoning behind this all. It's bundling, pure and simple. It's illegal, when it hurts market competition. By being the default, users are lead to believe that it's the only way to experience the web. If it weren't for Google, IE would still be there at 60%. The market forces have failed that market, because Microsoft's OS is not substitutable.

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RE[5]: Typical EU
by Kochise on Thu 7th Mar 2013 17:48 in reply to "RE[4]: Typical EU"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Still, they could use Google through IE to search for another web browser. Millions of people have made that way to switch to Firefox, Safari, Opera and so on, without the help of the EU.

And if an operating system should just consist in a bunch of APIs and just a bundled file explorer, sorry, but this is as gross as returning in the good ol' DOS days with DosShell.

That would render "Windows" rather useless and pretty expensive for the offering. Please don't vote me down on anger, just think about what I just wrote down.

Kochise

Edited 2013-03-07 17:50 UTC

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