Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 7th Mar 2013 10:35 UTC
Legal "Apple vs. Samsung initially ended with a billion-dollar verdict in favor of Apple, but there have been plenty of wrinkles since. This week brought about another, as Nokia filed an amicus brief on behalf of Apple, Inc. in the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. In the brief filed Monday, Nokia asked the court to permit permanent injunctions on the sale of Samsung phones that were found to infringe Apple's patents." In the meantime, the latest comScore figures for the US show that Windows Phone's market share actually declined during the launch of Windows Phone 8. It's pretty clear that, combined with the disappointing quarterly results for Nokia, the company is setting itself up for the future. In this future, Nokia's patent portfolio is worth more than their actual phone business, and as such, Nokia can't do anything but support Apple in this case, else the value of their portfolio goes down.
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RE[4]: It isn't about Samsung
by Nelson on Thu 7th Mar 2013 12:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: It isn't about Samsung"
Nelson
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2005-11-29

I do. Without getting into too much of a philosophical argument, I think that many companies have innovations and R&D investments worth protecting.

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RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung
by bnolsen on Thu 7th Mar 2013 13:10 in reply to "RE[4]: It isn't about Samsung"
bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

ouch. for the sake of my little company i want the software and design patents utterly gone. We know that any larger player with a legal department will bury us with just legal threats even if totally unfounded. It's another small business nightmare that destoys innovation and effectively allows a few huge companies to dominate through collusion. More money is now spent on legal departments than r&d in these huge companies. I see no progress here, just another lawyer multuplying industry.

And the MS shills are out again even though the article has absolutely nothing to do with windows, just nokia's already existing patent portfolio. If you can't innovate (that means market, not just technology!), then litigate!

Edited 2013-03-07 13:13 UTC

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RE[6]: It isn't about Samsung
by Nelson on Thu 7th Mar 2013 13:52 in reply to "RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I think you place too much importance on your small business. You're relatively small fish to fry in the grand scheme of things, so really, you need to worry mostly about NPEs or patent trolling.

That aspect of the system needs great reform, but it is completely separate from the merits of the patent system at large.

Besides, your post reads more to me like you'd like to escape the reality of potential liability for anything. You're starting a business, you're going to need a lawyers. Regardless.

Small start ups usually are not targeted, and products of the start up mentality like Facebook are only just now amassing a patent arsenal.

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RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung
by kwan_e on Thu 7th Mar 2013 15:13 in reply to "RE[4]: It isn't about Samsung"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I do. Without getting into too much of a philosophical argument, I think that many companies have innovations and R&D investments worth protecting.


No need for philosophical arguments at all. Innovation tends to happen at a quicker rate without protections. Sure, we could protect companies, but it tends to be at the expense of society.

It's a myth that patent protection fosters innovation, much like the myth that ever increasing tax cuts for the rich creates jobs. They sound all right in theory, but they never pan out in reality.

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RE[6]: It isn't about Samsung
by zztaz on Thu 7th Mar 2013 16:06 in reply to "RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung"
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2006-09-16

The public good served by patents isn't isn't about rewarding innovation, it's supposed to be about rewarding *publication* of innovation. In other words, making the details of innovations available to the public is the goal, a temporary government-imposed monopoly is the incentive.

Markets reward innovation, government has no need nor justification for doing so. There are powerful interests behind the misrepresentation of the purpose of patents ("rewarding innovation"), so it's worth pushing back and remembering the true purpose when comparing the benefit to the public against the cost to the public.

Some economists think that the cost of patents is higher than the benefits. Cost and benefit to the public, that is. Many companies see great benefit in suppressing competition.

Back to the topic, I see that the usual players are busy misrepresenting this case. The judge has not ruled out injunctions, she's ruled that it's not time for them *yet*. The jury didn't follow instructions, so that needs to be sorted out before injunctions or penalties can be assigned.

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RE[6]: It isn't about Samsung
by Nelson on Thu 7th Mar 2013 18:51 in reply to "RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


No need for philosophical arguments at all. Innovation tends to happen at a quicker rate without protections. Sure, we could protect companies, but it tends to be at the expense of society.

It's a myth that patent protection fosters innovation, much like the myth that ever increasing tax cuts for the rich creates jobs. They sound all right in theory, but they never pan out in reality.


Do you think that the rate of innovation is low in the mobile space? Watch other industries. There's the initial boom, rapid innovation, a small period of litigation, then relative peace. No industry has really blown itself up over patents historically.

I'm just wondering what would lead you to conclude that patents are stymieing innovation. Sure, its easy to call patents innovation killers (just like its easy to say that tax cuts for the rich are good) but its harder to prove.

And I'm a bleeding heart liberal so I think we agree on the rest of your post ;) .

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RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung
by gilboa on Thu 7th Mar 2013 15:58 in reply to "RE[4]: It isn't about Samsung"
gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

What a load a crap.

I've seen far too many big companies spend millions on kitchen sink patents that cover world + dog just to use it later on to bully small companies into submissions by using the sheer size of their legal department.

You simply have no idea how broken the system is, and how hard it is to navigate a small company in today's patent system minefield.

- Gilboa

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RE[6]: It isn't about Samsung
by Nelson on Thu 7th Mar 2013 18:51 in reply to "RE[5]: It isn't about Samsung"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

What a load a crap.

I've seen far too many big companies spend millions on kitchen sink patents that cover world + dog just to use it later on to bully small companies into submissions by using the sheer size of their legal department.

You simply have no idea how broken the system is, and how hard it is to navigate a small company in today's patent system minefield.

- Gilboa


You've seen big non patent trolls extorting small businesses? Where? Do you have examples? I don't really think this happens as much in practice as people let on.

It is a myth that small business is being strangled by patents. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.

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