Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 8th Mar 2013 16:13 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth: "I simply have zero interest in the crowd who wants to be different. Leet. 'Linux is supposed to be hard so it's exclusive' is just the dumbest thing that a smart person could say." He's right. Lots of interesting insights in this blog post - I may not agree with everything Ubuntu does, but at least it's doing something.
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RE: Wayland and Mir
by ndrw on Fri 8th Mar 2013 17:47 UTC in reply to "Wayland and Mir"
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> technical "issues"

There are actually two technical issues that bother _me_, not sure if Mir is addresses them:
- Client-side window decorations. Window management is a compositor's job.
- Yet another IPC bus. There was no reason not to use DBUS even in 2008.

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RE[2]: Wayland and Mir
by ssokolow on Fri 8th Mar 2013 19:46 in reply to "RE: Wayland and Mir"
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- Client-side window decorations. Window management is a compositor's job.

Could go either way. On the one hand, they were pushing for them but, on the other hand, they did move away from that kind of design with appindicators.

(Though I always switch back to the traditional tray icon or find a new application when faced with appindicators because I insist on left-click being "hide/show main window" and right-click being "show context menu". Last I checked, the libappindicator API simply does not support letting an application register a handler beyond "show context menu".)

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RE[2]: Wayland and Mir
by Lunitik on Fri 8th Mar 2013 21:09 in reply to "RE: Wayland and Mir"
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Window decorations is not a valid complaint, as an example, KWin is implementing Wayland and thus still be doing decorations.

Again, Wayland is a protocol which Weston implements. Weston is only a reference implementation though, Mutter of Gnome is also implementing it as far as I can tell. At the end of the day it is highly unlikely anyone will actually use Weston at all.

This is really not a good situation though, everyone moving away from Xorg will have to implement the Wayland protocol in their code, multiple duplication of effort will be happening. I would be surprised if there is not another project that turns up too since everyone will be writing display managers anyway. As I said elsewhere, I just hope closed drivers start targeting KMS and GEM et al rather than trying to track all of the mess that is going to happen.

For me, the real reason is that Wayland is another IPC, there is no need when DBUS is already widely used. This is the key takeaway from all the docs about Mir, which I think they understood they'd have to write anyway - just calling it Wayland support in Compiz, it would still be a reimplementation of Weston.

Edited 2013-03-08 21:11 UTC

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